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17th-Apr-2004 10:33 pm
Currently i am involved in a gaming group where one of our members feels useless. he's a rogue but he doesn't feel as tho his character is able to do the things he wants to do. does anyone have any suggestions of feats or things he might wanna do with his character that'll make him a force to be reckoned with. i think deep down he wants to be more of a fighter so he's taking a few levels as a fighter. if anyone has any suggestions that'll benifit his rogue abilities let me know.
17th-Apr-2004 07:48 pm (UTC)
Well maybe have the DM do more to make adventures ones in which the rogue can participate? Give him traps to find, locks to open, pockets to pick, and so on. Rogues are useless in straight combat (usually... I had one group where the rogues were basically the ranged attackers, so that worked), so make stuff where the rogue is going to be doing a lot of work.

Or if the player really just wants to be a fighter, then have him take levels in that (or maybe even create a new, warrior character). When switching from a rogue to a fighter it's probably a good idea to get Weapon Finess, ranged attack feats (Rapid Shot, etc), or even two-weapon fighting feats if he's using a light weapon. Have him go through the Complete Warrior; maybe he can find a PrC that fits his character and would make him a "force to be reckoned with".

If you really wanna scare people as a rogue, take levels in Assassin. Learn about poisons. That'll do it.
17th-Apr-2004 08:03 pm (UTC)
our dm gives him traps in every session he rolls for shit and usually fails them then he get's upset and just say that his char is useless. i told him to rely a lot on ranged techniques since rogues can't wear the heavier armors without hindering their skills. but i really like the idea of taking levels as assassin thanks for the input
17th-Apr-2004 08:03 pm (UTC)
What does he want to accomplish?

Perhaps he's just suffering from a lack of focus. I find that a lot of gamers who feel like their character is useless think they should be able to do everything at an expert level.
17th-Apr-2004 08:31 pm (UTC)
i'd personally hope he wasn't tryint to be an expert seeing as this is his first time playing the game ever. i've tried telling him to focus on the feats he's chosen and the oppurtunist ability the rogue has, the oppurtunistic ability couple with flanking has some real good effects i believe he just doesn't think it's worth it i guess but you may be right in that he has a lack of focus.
17th-Apr-2004 09:24 pm (UTC)
HA he just wants to be the best...or else he gets angry. we all know this. Ive even seen him roll his eyes when ive rolled higher than him to do something that he could do..But eh i cant help i have a few higher skill points then him..im a higher level char....i really dont know what he expects..we've done everything he wanted for his char, and he still isnt satisfied.
17th-Apr-2004 10:20 pm (UTC)
I have seen plenty like that. This guy probably gets mad if he loses at monopoly, too.

Has anyone tried to point out that he is part of a team and should cheer the team's triumphs and support them?

Maybe a bard is in order. They are actually playable in 3.5.
18th-Apr-2004 12:16 am (UTC)
i don't think anyone in my group ever really put to much thought into a bard altho i've always found it to be a unique class combining the strengths of several classes to make it a pretty well rounded character. only reason i think no one in my groups has ever played a bard is they look at it and their like wait they use music as a type of attack i can't rhyme.
18th-Apr-2004 08:44 pm (UTC)
haha actually he got mad when we didnt play by some rules that he played by in monopoly..and yes we have talked to him about this...hes younger than us, but hes old enough to not act like a child.
17th-Apr-2004 10:05 pm (UTC) - Song and Silence...
We have a rogue in our group that used to be a lot like what your friend seems to be like. Although he didn't really complain too much except when we got into battle. We shut him up by shoving a song and silence book in his face and told him to research the prestige classes. It gave him something to strive for and now that he's got it he's amazing. My character is a duelist and being the upfront kind of character I am...I took most of the damage instead of dealing it...our rogue saved the day by combining the attack bonuses his prestige class gave him, also if he wants to be a fighter help him get an awesome weapon that pretty much attacks for him. Our rogue has a flaming rapier +3, then again we're 11th lvl.
18th-Apr-2004 12:14 am (UTC) - Re: Song and Silence...
right now he has a really sweet as archaic shortsword +4 it deals an extra 2d6 to lawfully aligned creatures problem is a lot of the monsters we have been encountering are chaotic. the rapier is in order because of it's high threat range i think it'd be common suggestion in my eyes at least for him to take improved critical with the rapier or hopefully he just finds a keen rapier and then his critical chances highly improve.
18th-Apr-2004 09:10 am (UTC) - Re: Song and Silence...
As a Duelist I've taken Weapon finese to use my dexterity to fight. Your Rogue should also do the same...Rogues are required to have high dexterity for most of their attacks and I find that combining weapon finese with a rapier has done a lot of good for me.
17th-Apr-2004 10:46 pm (UTC)
I've been a rogue and I personally don't like it. I ended up going with levels in duelist from the DMG, but there are some other nice classes in the Complete Warrior.
17th-Apr-2004 11:43 pm (UTC)
  • Make sure he's good enough at Tumble that he can flank every turn
  • Taking one or two Fighter levels is a good way to become more combat effective - just access to martial weapons can help quite a bit
  • Good feats depends a lot on what his fighting style is. Two-Weapon Fighting is usually good for a Rogue, since it means more opportunities to use Sneak Attack. If he has good Dex, Combat Reflexes could be useful.
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