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A Question for the 3.0 vs 3.5 Savvy 
9th-Jan-2004 08:15 am
My apologies if this has already been asked; I checked and didn't find it in recent entries.

Anyways ...

What I'm wondering is if the Book of Exalted Deeds is just a rehashing and/or smishing together of Defenders of the Faith and The Hero Builder's Guidebook?

I ask because I'm trying to avoid redundancy. I don't want to buy all three books if I don't really have to.

Any help/reviews/assorted comments appreciated. Thanks in advance.
9th-Jan-2004 06:17 am (UTC)
The Book of Exalted Deeds is more a parrellel of the Book fo Vile Darkness, than a rehash of Defenders and Hero Builder. Regardless, though, I'd suggest that you find a game store where you can flip through a copy before you buy it.
9th-Jan-2004 06:59 am (UTC)
The Book of Exalted Deeds is more a parrellel of the Book fo Vile Darkness

I'm not terribly familiar with the Book of Vile Darkness ... Can you expand?
9th-Jan-2004 07:28 am (UTC)
The Book of Vile Darkness is one of WotC's For-Mature-Audiances releases. Its also not terribly well balanced.

The premise of BoVD is 'how dark can you get?' The book features concepts and ideas around dark imagry and true, pure 'evil'. Torture, corruption, etc. PrCs, Feats, spells et al mdevoted to that premise. Righteous takes the other side.
9th-Jan-2004 08:42 am (UTC)
I see. BoVD sounds pretty similar to the .. what was it called ... Villians Handbook? I don't see that title on the WOTC cataloge, or I'd link for clarity's sake.

Thanks for your reply; that was helpful.
10th-Jan-2004 01:18 am (UTC)
That's because it wasn't WOTC.

The best villian book is the AEG Book of Evil
10th-Jan-2004 05:46 am (UTC)
Ah ... for some reason, I remember seeing the D&D logo on the cover of it, rather than the D20 logo, but perhaps I misremembered.
9th-Jan-2004 06:29 am (UTC)
As someone who generally plays a Paladin (or is the only PC who is willing to play a Cleric), I find the book excellent.

Actually, it's got some good material for characters of all classes, and can help people who aren't sure if their characters are good or not determine whether they are behaving in a good aligned fashioned (I noticed a few of my PCs had been hovering more towards True Neutral than Neutral Good... it's surprising HOW good the writers say you have to be to be good aligned).
9th-Jan-2004 06:33 am (UTC)
I've recently used both in my game. The compliment each other well with their concepts and ideas. Ryles put aside their good material on their own.

Rules wise they have some excellent stuff as well, how ever they should not be "core" books but used somewhat sparingly in that regard.
9th-Jan-2004 06:47 am (UTC)
In ter,ms of 3.0 vs. 3.5, no. Its more about the alignment through all the classes then focusng on paladin & Cleric. Actually thus far its being used primerily through a monk and fighter in my game, and cleric too yes. Although Paladins & Clerics could prolly find most use for it.
9th-Jan-2004 07:01 am (UTC)
Thank you; this simple statement was more helpful than all the reviews on amazon. :)
9th-Jan-2004 12:55 pm (UTC)
Anytime :)
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9th-Jan-2004 07:30 pm (UTC)
you could easily create a munchkin with VoP

VoP + Monk = Munchkin
9th-Jan-2004 09:05 pm (UTC)
yes it is a bit ridiculous.
21st-Feb-2004 07:44 am (UTC) - Re:
Old post, I know, but just to comment, I've used it with two characters (albeit, very, very briefly with one), a Paladin and a Rogue, and it didn't seem that overpowered in either case.

On a Monk? Good lord, yes.
9th-Jan-2004 07:45 pm (UTC)
the Book of Exalted Deeds is a thing of its own, it was made as a player's guide to the ultimate good and how to add diversity to you good campaigns...and how to beef up good characters like taking vows of chastity and what-not...which give benefits to your characters it also out-lines Celestia and gives new gods, demigods, monsters, classes, prestige classes and the like...but really the Book of Exalted Deeds is a real "version" of the artifact of same name which can be found in the DMs guide
The same goes for the Book of Vile Darkness, except for it is evil...which it adds rules for drugs, new poisons, fetishes [in the serial killer sense more than anyother...like Necrophilia, cannibalism, sadism, masochism, etc] and gives bonuses for them...and so on...these books add great depth to the good and evil of the world of D&D...you should definately check them out...they are worth it...especially if you want your ultimate enemy to be "piss-your-pants" scary or if you want your hero to be an immaculate "apple polisher"
both are great books both in game [with the rules and stats in the DM's guide] and on your table
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