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two weapon fighting - how many attacks do i get? 
30th-Jul-2009 04:21 am
Hiro from Heroes
in D&D / D20 Modern

if you have the two weapon fighting and improved two weapon fighting feats, and your attacks are regularly +12/+7 for the on hand and +13/+8 for the off hand.  With the two weapon fighting penalties, the attacks would be +10/+5 for the on hand and +11/+6 for the off hand.  with improved two weapon fighting, you get an extra attack with the the off hand weapon at a -5.  so do I get all 5 attacks in one turn or do i only get 3 or what?

and just for reference, we are playing d20 modern set in the fallout universe, and I am using a ripper (3d6+6) and an unarmed attack for the off hand.  I have taken combat martial arts so that unarmed attacks do lethal damage right?
30th-Jul-2009 10:39 am (UTC)
I believe that you're actually twice wrong. I think you get +10/+5 for your on hand and +11/+6 for your off-hand. Two-Weapon-Fighting just gives you one attack at BAB for your off-hand. Improved adds one iterative attack. Ergo: two off-hand attacks, and two on-hand attacks.

I could, of course, be totally wrong/an idiot. It's been known to happen. regularly.
30th-Jul-2009 12:21 pm (UTC)
f'rinstance, that was me.
30th-Jul-2009 12:33 pm (UTC)
The off-hand is not going to be higher than the main hand. In most cases it will be the same. Say, for instance you are a 12th level Fighter. Without any TWF feats, you have a +12/+7/+2 BAB, granting you three attacks. You take Two-Weapon Fighting, granting you another attack at your highest BAB, which gives you a main hand of +12/+7/+2 and an off-hand of +12. If you take the Improved Two-Weapon Fighting feat, your main hand is still at +12/+7/+2 but your off-hand is now at +12/+7.
30th-Jul-2009 12:36 pm (UTC)
That is before any penalties are applied due to what kind of weapons you are wielding. If you are using a light weapon in your off-hand and a one-hander in your main hand, your attacks are, before strength/weapon focus adjustments:

Main hand: +10/+5/+0
Off-hand: +10/+5
30th-Jul-2009 06:08 pm (UTC)
the reason why my off hand attacks are higher than my main hand attacks are because for my main hand weapon, I only have weapon focus, but for my off hand weapon (fists) I have brawl which gives you a +1 and does 1d6+str and improved brawl which gives you +2 and does 1d8+str.
30th-Jul-2009 06:28 pm (UTC)
I say that because most players do all their TWF calculations on BAB first, then apply feats/strength/magic/masterwork/etc. I thought you were giving BABs here.
30th-Jul-2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
no, my BAB is only +7/+2
31st-Jul-2009 03:13 am (UTC)
Aha. See, I read your attacks are regularly +12/+7 for the on hand as "your BAB plus Strength plus TWF modifiers are..." and I was mightily confused.

Next time, consider just doing BAB and TWF (or even breaking them down--BAB, TWF penalty, weapon enhancement, Strength bonus in the right hand, Dex bonus in the left hand because you have Weapon Finesse, etc etc etc).

If we can't tell what you're asking, you're probably going to get wrong answers. ;-) GIGO.
30th-Jul-2009 03:07 pm (UTC)
As cabinetsanchez said, you don't normally get iterative attacks for your offhand. So your initial premise (that your regular attacks would be +12/+7 and +13/+8) is wrong.

If you get 2 attacks due to your BAB (so your BAB is between +6 and +10), then you would normally get 2 attacks with your main hand (at BAB and BAB-5). That's it.

If you use a second weapon with TWF, then you get a THIRD attack at BAB, but all the attacks take -2. So you have
* Main hand: BAB-2, BAB-7
* Off hand: BAB-2

With ITWF, you get a FOURTH attack at BAB -5, in addition to attacks above. So you have
* Main hand: BAB-2, BAB-7
* Off hand: BAB-2, BAB-7

You add your attack modifiers (from high Strength or magic weapons or whatever) to all the attack rolls as normal.

Make sense?
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