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4e changeover 
26th-Apr-2008 07:01 pm
so who's planning on changing over? i've already pre-ordered my 4th edition books. i like change, i like new things, and what i've read about the new system seems pretty cool. there are other things i've seen about it that i dislike, the trimmed down skill system in particular. i suppose there's no knowing what 4e will be like until it comes out.

but while i enjoy trying new things and i've already ordered my 4e books, i really enjoy 3.5, and we have a couple ongoing 3.5 games that i don't think would benefit form trying to change rules sets in midstream. i have no doubt that we'll end up playing something in 4e when it comes out. while the group i'm in really hasn't discussed it i don't think any of us plan to stop playing 3.5 any time soon.

what about everyone else? what do you think of what you've seen about 4e and do you think you'll switch over?
26th-Apr-2008 11:23 pm (UTC)
Fall of ought-nine, when I go into grad school and away from this bass-ackward state.
26th-Apr-2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
We intend to switch over. I've been running a high level game and everything has gone haywire. Some of it is my fault, but much of it lies at the feet of the previous GM who gave everyone 30-40 point buys and amazing gear. The gear is so good that they refused an offer to let them repick their gear, any gear that they wanted, within wealth limits. Argh!

I also have many non-gamer folks in the group. 4e should be much easier for them to play. Right now, they get everything wrong.

With reports that 4e is much smoother and moves much faster, I look forward to fewer arguments and far less brokeness.

Edited at 2008-04-26 11:29 pm (UTC)
26th-Apr-2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
we play a few games. in our main ongoing game we're levels 16-17 and i know we'll be done soon. the dm mentioned we're on the second to last adventure he plans to run in this campaign. but we just started savage tide so i know we'll continue at least that 3.5 game for quite some time. once our other game ends i don't know if we're going to 4.0 or not.
27th-Apr-2008 12:10 am (UTC)
My crew will not be switching. We've gone through too many revisions and too many editions in the last 20+ years to want to give WoTC any more money than we already have.
27th-Apr-2008 09:28 am (UTC)
simple solution- download the books- that way everyone wins:)
27th-Apr-2008 12:14 am (UTC)
I have also already ordered my 4th edition books. My players are currently level 10, and I think we'll be wrapping up the campaign sometime this summer. The timing couldn't be more perfect.

Two of my players are not experts, so as long as they can handle switching to a new system they should have a much easier time with 4th Edition.

If not for those two, I might not have the same excuse to change over to 4th. And I *want* to try 4th -- it looks great!
27th-Apr-2008 12:15 am (UTC)
I've ordered the books mostly on the good vibes I got from the second advertisement preview they sold (Worlds And Monsters I believe). The first advertisment (Races and Classes) wasn't very inspiring. The only good news from that was the absence of gnomes.

3.5 seems to be the last in the line of "D&D" type products. 4e looks to be pretty cool, but the changes are so sweeping that almost all the aspects of the game I associate with D&D have been removed.

The only thing I'm really dreading is to find out how integrated Forgotten Realms is into the core rules. If FR is an overpowering part of everything they release then I'm out.
27th-Apr-2008 12:41 am (UTC) - The only good news from that was the absence of gnomes
you kidding? i love gnomes. anyway from what i hear FR isn't built in in 4.0. who knows though. i'm not a fan of FR either.
27th-Apr-2008 12:56 am (UTC)
I might switch, but I'm not holding my breath. I definitely won't preorder, as I'd rather wait and find out what we're really dealing with.

I know that to make money, a company has to sell product, and to sell product they have to keep things fresh and interesting, and find new ways to entice younger generations of buyers. But D&D as of late has grown so anime these days (Tome of Battle, I'm looking at you) that as far as I can tell, D&D now stands for Dungeons & Dragonball Z. And given the reports I've seen say we can expect ToB-style content to be the core of the new 4th edition, I think I'll be shying away from that one.

I don't have any problems with anime, I just don't need little bits of it in everything I play. I sure as hell don't need my fighter to finally acquire that "Super Sayin" Bonus feat he's always dreamt of.
27th-Apr-2008 01:39 am (UTC)
a) I never saw ToB as anime. You can easily make a martial adept character that has no flashy maneuvers -- they can just be a fighter that hits hard. Or, yes, you can go Wuxia if you really want to.

b) If I wasn't buying 4th Ed, I'd be buying another supplement. Either way, WotC gets my money. I don't think 4th Edition is as much of a money grab as people make it out to be. Yes, it invalidates my other books, but if it makes the game more fun, who cares? That's *why* I buy these books.
27th-Apr-2008 01:04 am (UTC)
My group won't be switching, we have way too much invested in 3.5 stuff. Though I may pick up the main 4E book to look it over, I won't be switching my campaign over. Especially since the fear of 4.5 looms over me.
27th-Apr-2008 02:29 am (UTC)
Especially since the fear of 4.5 looms over me.

Yep, in order to keep separating regular piles of cash from our wallets, there will be upgrades, reissues, and then in 2013 or so, 5th Edition!

I am not switching over, and most of my playgroups are not either. If one does I will borrow books to play, at least until each book comes with a set of corneal lenses that recognize one wearer's DNA so that only they can see the text through those lenses. I have been looking at the Paizo Pathfinder stuff and may use a bit of that and keep expanding some homebrew I've been working on. I think 3.5 works for most stuff and its excesses can be ameliorated by a combination of playgroup maturity and sagacious rulings on the DM's part.
27th-Apr-2008 03:19 am (UTC)
Sadly, I only research 4e today.

My last D&D group was a college group. We get together every so often now that we've graduated (I sadly grew into a very busy social life, so haven't bothered finding a local group in a metropolis). Today, I finally looked about.

We're all on the verge of 21 (after four years of college playing) and reconvening next weekend. Apparently, the DM is working the spellplague into the ending of our campaign and was upset that I figured out his plan.

Le sigh, as a person who was the only one to ever embrace mages, I worry.

I have no plans on buying new books any time soon. I want to see where everything heads first. Too new. Too much hassle for something I have memories tied to, but no current interest.

Edited at 2008-04-27 03:20 am (UTC)
27th-Apr-2008 05:31 am (UTC)
No interest in 4e. I don't really try to think of reasons NOT to switch, but of reasons why I SHOULD switch.

I'd consider changing if the revision made it INSANELY easier to play (like our switch from Cyberpunk 2020 to GURPS), or if I just didn't think there was any interesting 3.5 material left to explore. Neither of those is true yet, so I can't justify the switch.
28th-Apr-2008 01:30 pm (UTC)
I like the way you put that. I think that is a factor for me as well.

I just started looking at GURPS, partly for reference material, and downloaded the free Lite version. It is. . . ridiculously simple, yet easy to elaborate. I am thinking of using it for a non-fantasy setting RPG because it might fit better than d20 Modern. Who knew? :-)
27th-Apr-2008 08:06 am (UTC)
i've got the books on pre-order. Out of curiosity and being a general D&D fan more than anythign else. I'll read them, and if I like them I'll switch. But chances are, I'll do what I have alwasys done - use a cobbled together system taking aspects from various editions.

People shouldn;t see it as their investment in 3.5e going to waste. the books are still sources for ideas, and chances are there'll be conversions online in the not too distant future
27th-Apr-2008 08:10 am (UTC)
Agreed, and the beauty of the open gaming concept means that other companies can still produce compatible materials even when Wizards has abandoned the project. This wasn't the case in previous editions.
27th-Apr-2008 11:59 am (UTC)
I like what I've seen of the new system. I have some misgivings which are largely the "are fighters really that broken, and when's 4.5 gonna come out?" listed above. I really like that you can start actually fighting big interesting stuff early, which is weird because the thing I dislike most is that it's theoretically rather difficult to kill PCs. A similar paradox is that I love tactical gaming, but with 4e there seems to be so much stress on having to play with miniatures and a map (or, having it be so integral to the game that it's really convenient) - and I'd much rather go free form.

Plus the art I've seen for the Monster Manual largely just doesn't do anything for me and having really cool monsters is half of why I like D&D.

4e sounds really nice but it also doesn't sound like D&D. It sounds like D&D the way GURPS or Iron Heroes sounds like D&D. I like the weird feats-skills-special ability/spell like balance 3.5 has. I know my Sunday group is going to keep doing 3.5, and my alternate game is so new I'm not sure whether I'll switch over or no.
27th-Apr-2008 12:01 pm (UTC)
For the group I DM, we're sticking to 3.5 and compatible supplements. I guess that means we might experiment with Paizo's Pathfinder materials, too. I don't totally object to buying new product at this time. I am simply resistant to some of the rule changes that 4e will bring to my game table and how they will alter the flavor of my setting, which is more purely medieval and low fantasy.

My wife plays with a group whose DM is running playtests of the 4th edition rules (even at this late stage), although she has not been in one of the playtest games. The DM has introduced elements of 4th Edition into the campaign she is playing, and if I run across a convention that works for my campaign, I might adopt it as a house rule, but for the most part, 4th Edition and the games I DM don't mix.

That said, if my wife picks up the 4th Edition rulebooks to play in another campaign and the opportunity arises to give the rules a whirl, I might try as a player, but I doubt I will DM 4th Edition for a very long time.
27th-Apr-2008 08:22 pm (UTC)
We're not planning to switch for the foreseeable future. 3.5 works well for us, we can adjust for its quirks, and just don't see a compelling reason to switch now.
27th-Apr-2008 09:46 pm (UTC)
I will not be switching. Not only do I not see a reason to do, I've tried a demo of the game and I think the mechanics are lacking. As in lacking in reason. In my mind, fighters have become useless against anything except "minions", spell casting has been reduced to varying flavors of damage, and some of the powers (such as the Paladin's one "mark" power) make no sense (he takes damage for not attacking me? Huh?)

So it's 3.5 with house-rules for me. If I do switch from D&D it might be to that new version of HackMaster in the works...
28th-Apr-2008 03:27 am (UTC)
I had this conversation with a fellow this weekend, and it was a little awkward, because he's one of the people at WotC who's worked on the new systems.

I'm sure that 4th Edition is going to be a nice game, the same way GURPS and Ars Magica are nice games. But I'm going to stick with the system that accomdates the 50+ hardcover books I've purchased over the last three or four years.
28th-Apr-2008 04:20 am (UTC)
I don't play D&D all that often anymore, but I expect I'll pick up the PHB in fairly short order. Everything I've heard about the new system sounds great.
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