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Arcanis Rules Question 
31st-Jan-2008 03:01 pm
I have recently begun playing in Living Arcanis. Me likey. I've played enough to now have a good idea of the character concept I want to play, and am currently recycling my 2nd level character. But now I have a rules issue. Perhaps some insight is available out there that I am unaware of.

In the PGtA, the Feat "Streetwise" says: "Prerequisite: May not be a member of the
Aristocrat or Patrician class, possess the Gentry feat, or be a Val." (PGtA pg. 190)

However, many Vals (specifically val'Ossen) have Ranger as their Preferred Class, and any ranger character (except val'Dellenov, where it is specifically restricted) can choose to be the Urban Sentinel variant at level 1. The Urban Sentinel variant of the Ranger gets "Streetwise" as a Bonus Feat (which replaces Wild Empathy), so it is, in effect, a Class Ability. (PGtA, pg. 81)

So what happens if you're a Val who takes Urban Sentinel? Do you lose out on a Class Ability, or do you override the Feat restrictions?

Looking through the LARC and the Updates/Errata, I haven't found any rulings, except where it specifically states that val'Dellenov females are not allowed to take the Urban Sentinel variant. Thus, it seems logical to assume that if the other Val families that have Ranger listed as their preferred class aren't specifically restricted from taking Urban Sentinel Ranger, it's an allowed class for Val.

So, that having been said, I have a val'Holryn (val'Ossen bloodline) Patrician that I want to multi-class into Urban Sentinel. The concept being a noble bastard who serves in the Royal Navy of Milandir (more as a support officer than as a marine officer or command officer) - as such, he knows his way around port towns and some of the seamier side of life that comes with hanging about with sailors, but he also knows and fulfills his responsibilities and duties as an officer and noble of the land (despite his bastard status). To me, the Urban Sentinel variant seems more appropriate than a regular nature ranger.

I could go rogue rather than ranger, but that brings up XP issues, as Rogue isn't a preferred class, so I'd have to keep it even with the Patrician levels, whereas with ranger I can take 4-5 levels to cover his "active service" time, and swing back to Patrician levels as he "moves up the ladder."

Thoughts? Help?
31st-Jan-2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
I've just started with Living Arcanis myself, so I don't know about any official answers. And yep, I'm pretty enthusiastic about some parts of it.

But there's a rich 3.5 tradition that characters can use Class Abilities that simulate feats even if they don't meet the standard prerequisites for those feats. For example, if your character takes a second level in ranger, he could get Rapid Shot even if he never got Point Blank Shot, which would normally be a prerequisite for that feat.
31st-Jan-2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's true, and I'd go with that, except that in this case it's not a Class Ability that _simulates_ a Feat, it grants the Feat itself.


1st-Feb-2008 03:47 am (UTC)
Ok, given the near-complete lack of response, I'm going to go ahead and assume not too many people are interested. However, Official Answer from Living Arcanis Staff:

"That is correctly [sic], unless a class specifically states that you don't gain a bonus feat (due to needing to meet the prerequisites), then you gain the feat. For example, Fighter specifically states that the bonus feats it grants can only be selected if you meet the prerequisites; while the bonus feats granted by the Ranger class are gained even if you don't normally meet the requirements (except where noted)."

Yay me.
21st-Feb-2008 07:24 pm (UTC)
I'd go with it, some of the LA staff are a bit slow to these things, if there is a ruling on it then they give you a free rebuild anyway. Its not as if it allows you to gain a big advantage over other players so even if someone spotted it (i'd doubt they would it is rather specific) i'm sure they'd allow you a rebuild.
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