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15th-Aug-2007 11:09 pm
chocobo
We may need to make a new community name :p

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16th-Aug-2007 06:22 am (UTC)
We're in the first quarter of playing through the Age of Worms 3E campaign. I still expect to be running the campaign (and 3E) in a year's time.



16th-Aug-2007 06:26 am (UTC) - Don't worry about God,
everytime someone mentions 4E, _I_ kill a kitten.
16th-Aug-2007 08:11 am (UTC)
16th-Aug-2007 11:44 am (UTC)
I guess this is it... I'll just go and buy the (few) 3rd ed books I do not yet have and become part of the new "the edition I started with is better than yours"- group.
16th-Aug-2007 03:15 pm (UTC)
I still play Alternity. Oh yeah!
16th-Aug-2007 12:02 pm (UTC)
Ask and you shall receive...

http://community.livejournal.com/dnd4e/profile

I need a page designer and a moderator or two if anyone wants to volunteer.
16th-Aug-2007 04:51 pm (UTC) - I'll volunteer to moderate.
And I already joined.
16th-Aug-2007 09:59 pm (UTC)
For the love of god, make me a mod.



~Ray
16th-Aug-2007 12:47 pm (UTC)
grr... I really, really, really don't want to spend another $1,200 on hardcover books, but the old gaming firehorse in me just heard the alarm bell and part of me can't wait until the preview books come out...

and I already have enough 3E modules to last me for the next several years.
16th-Aug-2007 02:09 pm (UTC)
I never made it through all the OD&D or AD&D modules. The only 3rd Edition modules I ever played or ran were the RPGA mods for LG.
16th-Aug-2007 02:12 pm (UTC)
You know, all the digital integration of the 4th edition seems very interesting. But, 3rd Edition worked pretty well if the mechanics could be put aside long enough to actually role-play, and when combat started, the engine was very effective. So, what do I need a 4th edition for?
When my boys are old enough to start playing, 5th edition might be under development. I wonder, how different from 3rd edition will 4th edition be? Will I have to redesign all the work I've done for my home campaigns to run them in 4th edition, or will the ruleset be close enough that I can get by with my 3rd edition stuff until I can get around to updating it?
16th-Aug-2007 02:40 pm (UTC)
My experience from converting my GM style from first to second to third edition is that it is possible to keep a great deal of the look & feel of the campaign, but that trying to convert elements of the previous version into the new one caused issues--generally, they were left out of the new version because they didn't fit well into it.

So, going to 4th, say you're using the Forgotten Realms and you've bought eight or nine FR books as references. The text in those books should be perfectly useable in 4th edition; I regularly use 1st edition resources in my 3.5 FR campaign. The game mechanic information might not be so useful. So, Waterdeep's a big city. That translates. Ruled by a council of lords. No problem. The face guy for the council is a Paladin. Okay so far. Here is his level, and this is his gear... and you hit the brakes. An NPC who was the toughest guy around in 1st edition wouldn't even qualify as a doorman for a tough guy in 3rd edition, and even if you didn't mind that, his writeup in the older version would be almost completely unusable (aside from, most likely, the text...).

So, if you buy your D&D books for the text, you probably don't need to upgrade. If you buy them for the game mechanics, and you want to play 4th edition, you'll probably have some buying to do.
16th-Aug-2007 02:49 pm (UTC)
These are good points to consider. I am always open to a better way to play the game, but the fact is that my home campaign isn't even straight D&D anyway. It's set in Dark Ages Britain, and some magical effects have been a bit "nerfed" so that I don't have mid-level wizards kicking the crap out of the Knights of the Round Table. You are somewhat right about the mechanics. I would have to translate them, maybe even buff the NPCs to work within the spirit of the source material, but I would be concerned mainly about the translation of my already existent house rules into the new edition from the starting gate. But mostly, I don't have room in my office for any more books. I am already having to part with books I don't want to so I can sell my house.
17th-Aug-2007 12:38 am (UTC)
yea, I thought 3e works well; of course it all comes down to a dollars and cents thing. Eventually the well will run dry; sourcebooks will become rehashed things with content that's already been printed before.

oh wait...

so when this happens the obvious course option is to up the ante -- 4th edition.
16th-Aug-2007 02:58 pm (UTC)
Okay, I've been thinking about this since last night. I'll post it here instead of the Wizards boards because I like you guys better :)

I'm looking forward to 4e. There are suggestions and rumors that it will see similar changes that were made with Star Wars Saga edition, most of which I liked very much. From readings blurbs from developers, there are very good intentions involved, and not a little bit of insight. Furthermore, I've been tweaking the game system for years, but never quite got what I wanted (though I definitely got close). So the question is--would 4e make a better base for the game I want to play than 3e?

That's not to say I don't have reservations. I started in AD&D. When 3.0 came out, we tried it briefly but then stuck with AD&D. And soon after that, my group broke up as we went off to school. I started playing again with the release of 3.5e (I was excited about a new edition then too), and got another group together. That group has recently broken up. We're doing the same thing where we try and hold it together by playing online, but we'll see how that works out. So now I'm looking to finding a new group and being able to try out a new edition. But if I get a group and have to wait 6 months for the new game, I may be less eager to switch. And if we are going to see a 4.5e, then I might be better off waiting to switch.

So I'm going to wait and see. I'm excited to see the changes, and will likely incorporate many of them even if I don't do a full switch. My library isn't so large that I mind starting over--indeed, most of what I have are alternate systems (Psionics, ToM, and Stormwrack for the naval stuff), which I could probably work into a new edition anyway.

My one hope is that the changes are worth a new set of books. That they aren't simply a rebalancing, or a set of tweaks (a la 3.0->3.5). That there is enough of a change in the system's infrastructure to make the changes matter.
16th-Aug-2007 04:24 pm (UTC)
I have to say that I'm excited and yet resistant to 4e. You could tell that something has been brewing for quite awhile as WotC has been releasing fewer and fewer crunch books. Fluff can translate over fine. There have been a lot of adventures being produced lately too. Adventures don't take as many writers, etc. to make. So they've diverted a number of there other writers, to make 4e.

I really hope they don't just tweak things enough to sell us all the old books again("Now updated for 4e!"). That thought makes me nauseous. I hope they use the Digital Initiative as a tie in for 4e(and they will).

With all that said, I'm looking forward to a shiny new edition. I like 3.0/3.5 a lot though. I started when 3.0 came out. So now, I'm left with the feeling most old school gamers feel. Convert or Not Convert?
17th-Aug-2007 05:26 am (UTC)
There really isn't much of a choice, honestly. I was all about AD&D back in the day (I can recite the THAC0 table for rangers, even now, and played enough Dark Sun to know that even grass can be psionic), and wanted to keep playing it after 3e came out. No one wants to play anymore once the big new shiny books come out. It's convert or die, it seems. But, hey, I'm none too happy about this, anyway.

My one big gripe is one of cost and usage. I already bought books that came out, what, a month ago? Complete Champion, Drow of the Underdark, etc. Now they're going to be obsolete? Man, fuck that. If they keep the d20 system as a whole, and things transfer easily (say, without having to really convert anything), then alright. But if I have to go get another conversion document and sit for another two hours trying to make sure old characters are new system legal, well, yeah, no. And new books. AGAIN. I was here for the 3.5 switch, too. Three brand new core books. Gah.

This online bit makes me wary, too. D&D was one of the few things in my life I didn't need a computer for--the lovely folks of this community and their often brilliant ideas notwithstanding. This whole character creation engine with an avatar thing sounds almost creepily like WoW, and I have to wonder how much of this is trying to capture business from the MMO crowd who have never sat at a table.

I'll probably buy it--as I said, convert or die--but I'll be none too happy about it. Then again, I'm (more than likely, knock on wood) getting married around then, so maybe the new stuff can be on the registry.
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