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Warlocks? 
15th-Dec-2006 06:27 pm
Choppa
A buddy wants to play a warlock, but doesn't want to shell out of the money for Complete Arcana(that's the right book, isn't it?). I'm not exactly in a position to just go out and buy it - on an amphibious warship. I have no problem buying it when I get home, but I'd like him to be able to create a character now. Is there a place where the warlock abilities are listed on the web?
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15th-Dec-2006 06:28 pm (UTC)
The warlock is the excerpt from Complete ARcane available via 'search inside this book' on Amazon.com, for free.
15th-Dec-2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the help!

(Sheesh, warlocks seem overpowered....)
15th-Dec-2006 08:09 pm (UTC)
They really, really aren't.

Warlocks are to spellcasters like fighters are to ... well, Ritual Warriors from Arcana Evolved, but DnD Doesn't have a good comparison. Well, consider a Melee based class that has a lot of x-per-day abilities, and after they run out of those x-per-day abilities, they're left with one attack a round, minimal damage, and Cleric or Mage BAB.

Warlocks have the ability to do a few magic tricks, but are able to do them all day. They don't have to worry about tight resource management -- they can blast every round, and have a few other tricks they can do frequently (or are always-on), but that's ALL they can do, and none of their abilities are terribly overpowered.


A quick comparison -- 7th level Sorceror v 7th level warlock. The warlock has 4 invocations, plus the blast, minor DR (DR/2), Detect Magic at will, and the ability to take-10 on Use Magic Device.

The Sorceror has a familiar, 6 0th, 7 1st, 7 2nd and 5 3rd level spells per day (including bonus spells). If the Sorceror casts only Scorching Ray, they roll touch attacks and do 8d6 damage per round, 12 times a day. Plus 7 magic missles that do 4d4+4 damage. And they can (almost) do Detect Magic at will. They can't wear armor, and have slightly worse Hit Points (and no DR).

The Sorceror has a WHOLE LOT of flexiblity. He can know a lot of other spells. He can (with Complete Mage) take Reserve Feats and do low level effects all day, as long as he doesn't cast 5 3rd level spells. He has area affect spells (Fireball) that do almost as much damage as scorching ray. And he has spell effects that affect long range. And any reasonable character build would have at least 2 levels of a full-spell-progression prestige class, by seventh level.

The warlock can stack a minor status effect on their blast. And may have 3 other tricks they can do, but they have very little flexiblity. Now, they can use any wand or almost any scroll they find. Which gives them some additional flexiblity, but the cost is high, as they're blowing through gold every time they are more flexible. They can't counterspell, ever (well, there's a Dark invocation that lets them). And, they're maximum spell range is a single target at 250', or multiple/area targets within 60'. That never changes.


(Anyways, there are a bunch of coimprehensive comparisons online. The idea of an always-on arcane type is nice, and the warlock is that, but it isn't that broken. Not even with the new prestige class in Fiendish Codex II ).
15th-Dec-2006 08:17 pm (UTC)
The other comparison, I forgot:
7th level Warlock against a 7th Figher Melee:

The warlock is hitting 1 target a round for 4d6 (+1, if they took Point Blank Shot. And there is no reason not to, with a max range of 60).

The single-weapon, 2-hand weapon melee fighter is hitting 2 times (single or multiple) targets for 4d6+18 (18 Str, Specialization, +1 magic weapon). The single weapon sword&shield is hitting for 2d10+14, but has a MUCH better AC. The 2 weapon specialist is hitting 4 times (single or multiple targets) for a total of 4d6+24 (2 +1 weapon).

The Bow-fighter is hitting 3 times a round for a total of 3d10+18 (+1 weapon, specialization, 16 Strength).

The rogue is hitting for d6+3 (+4d6 sneak attack ) (+1 weapon, 14 Str). And either has a shield or a second attack (depending on single weapon/improved feint or 2 weapon/flanking build).


Admittedly, Clerics and bards put out less damage than the warlock, (barring clerics Righteous Might/Divine Favor etc.). But they should be doing less.
15th-Dec-2006 08:45 pm (UTC)
Aren't Warlock invocations ranged touch attacks? I don't have the book in front of me. If so, that does give an advantage.

Have you played a Warlock or just running the numbers? That's not meant to be accusatory. I've never played one. Just curious how they play. I've been thinking about using one as an NPC.
15th-Dec-2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
One other comment -- there is an errata that severly affects the Warlock. THe Eldich Blast, unmodified, is considerd a 1st level spell affect, unless modified by a Essence or Shape invocation (in which case, it is treated as the invocation's level).

So, it is completely blocked by Minor Globes unless modified by a 4th level effect. And you need a Greater Invocation (Eldrich Essence or Blast Shape) before you get a 5th level spell effect, so a 10th level warlock is nigh-useless against a Globe of Invunerablity.
15th-Dec-2006 06:42 pm (UTC)
I've heard... that if you search file sharing programs, you can find PDFs of many books online. I own every single book I use, and many many that I don't... but there were times during my poverty when those online resources were useful.
15th-Dec-2006 07:03 pm (UTC)
Somehow advising a military personel (or someone otherwise subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice) to commit a crime seems like a Really Dumb Idea to me.

16th-Dec-2006 12:43 am (UTC)
Which part of the 'Code says "Thou Shalt Not Download PDFs of Books"?
15th-Dec-2006 06:42 pm (UTC)
oh... and Complete Mage has a great deal of new warlock stuff.
15th-Dec-2006 09:28 pm (UTC)
Yeeeeees. Yes it does.

Dragon Magic does, as well. Some of which are even better/cooler.

(Like, Eldrich Glaive, which is what Hideous Blow should have been. It is a full-round action that turns the blast into a reach weapon, that lasts a round. You can take AoO with it, and make iterative attacks, if appropriate.)
15th-Dec-2006 09:58 pm (UTC)
Yep, it's a pretty cool book. :-D
15th-Dec-2006 09:53 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure--possibly check the WotC site and see if they have it?

You could also go to Amazon.com and "Search Inside This Book."

Good luck!
18th-Dec-2006 04:05 pm (UTC) - Download it fool!
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