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is there a feat, or is anyone aware of a good strategy, to make… 
29th-Jun-2006 08:17 pm
is there a feat, or is anyone aware of a good strategy, to make uncharismatic players good at intimidate? i want to make a scary monk. it's not a class skill for monks and his cha is probably going to be average or low depending on how i roll. but other than intimidate i don't really need a huge charisma so its not a priority otherwise.

you know what might be really useful? a feat that gives you access to a corss-class skill as if it were a class skill. is there anything like that? maybe i should jut burn a level on rogue. ew.
30th-Jun-2006 01:08 am (UTC)
Check with your DM to see if he has house-ruled that Strength can be an alternate relevant ability for Intimidate. I've heard of many doing this from various message boards.
30th-Jun-2006 02:39 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's what our dwarven psychic warrior did last game, and it makes a lot of sense RP-wise.
1st-Jul-2006 09:45 pm (UTC)
I've never been able to accept the reasoning on that. You're strong, so you're good at scaring people into doing what you want? Nuh-uh. Maybe you can BEAT them into doing your will, but scaring them without dropping into actual fisticuffs takes some actual skill.

Besides, it's not like warrior types need any more reason to treat Cha as a complete dump stat.
2nd-Jul-2006 12:44 pm (UTC)
i agree with you on that. i don't think a high strength makes you good at intimidating. maybe you get a synergy bonus if you break a finger or something. but yeah a high strength makes you good at kicking ass not at being scary. look at andre the giant. or the tick. strong. but not scary.
30th-Jun-2006 03:19 am (UTC)
Not that I know of, but it sounds reasonable to me. Your DM should probably at least allow a houserule of that, if he doesn't just allow the state substitution outright.

There's feats that make cross-class skills class skills in I think the FR Campaign Setting or Races of Destiny (maybe both).

30th-Jun-2006 03:39 am (UTC)
Agressive Diplomacy. You might want to RP Diplomacy (a class skill) in an "I am eloquent yet limit my words, but I will snap your neck if you cross me" way.
30th-Jun-2006 04:05 am (UTC)
We usualy go by the "With a charisma that low, you must be ugly as sin!" methode, so one house rule could be add a negative Cha modifier as a positive one. Instead of threatening the NPCs, he just scares them. It makes sense when the PC in question is an ogre (such as it is with us). A Cha of 7 I think he had...

I like the idea of Str as a viable ability for Intimidate!
Lol, the brilliant Wizard: Intimidate with Int; Baffle your oposition into submission! :P
30th-Jun-2006 09:25 pm (UTC)

However, I strongly dislike associating Charisma with looks only. It's a hell of a lot more to do with personality. T.H. White's Lancelot was ugly as sin, but still influenced people (if I recall correctly; it's been a while).

If it weren't for the fact that Appearance isn't a very worthy attribute to take, I almost like White Wolf's division into Charisma and Appearance.
30th-Jun-2006 04:39 am (UTC)
We use str to intimidate, but you have to rough the guy up.

Alos, we houseruled that skill focus gives you a skill as a forced class skill rather than the +3 bonus.
30th-Jun-2006 10:43 am (UTC)
There's a 3rd ed feat, in the Forgotten Realms book, called cosmopolitan. It's only available at 1st level but does exactly what you're talking about (turns cross-class into class) and gives a +2 bonus to that skill.
30th-Jun-2006 04:51 pm (UTC)
Well I know there was a feat in a d20 game (Be danged if I cant remember where I saw it) but it has no prerequisites and basically gives you 3 out of class skills ALWAYS in class. So if you take Use magic device, Intimidate, Spell Craft even if you take a level of barbarian and a level of wizard those skills are ALWAYS in class. I think it was called Skillfull or Highly Skilled or something.
30th-Jun-2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
The version I use, and most people I know, is from Rokugan d20: Versatile. It makes any two skills always considered class skills for you.
30th-Jun-2006 09:26 pm (UTC)
Ahhh that might have been it. A very useful feat I think. I think there is a Modern d20 ability for the smart class that does the same thing as well.
5th-Jul-2006 06:24 am (UTC)
Feat-Skill Focus: Intimidate, Feat- Persuasive: +2 bonus on Bluff and Intimidate

In "Masters of the Wild" there is a sidebar that says Barbarians can use Str instead of Cha for Intimidate checks, doing things like flexing muscles, breaking chairs, other feats of strength to scare someone into submission, even demoralizing an opponent... I see no reason to restrict this to Barbarians and would gladly let a Monk do the same in my games... To make it a class skill, there is a feat, but I cannot recall what it is called or where I saw it...
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