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If I finish a PrC, can I take another one, or is that it for me? I… 
10th-Mar-2006 05:11 pm
Evil Drew
If I finish a PrC, can I take another one, or is that it for me? I mean, say I'm a Sor10/Arg5 next level, can I go into another prestige class, or can I only be a straight sorcerer?

Also, for prestige classes that dont' bring you up to 20, how do they advance? I checked the SRD on both of these, and no joy there.
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10th-Mar-2006 09:01 pm (UTC)
Leveling up is not Open Gaming License, so there will not be anything in the SRD about it.

You can take as many levels of PrCs as you like; there is no requirement to finish a PrC before anything else. Or even to finish a PrC before returning to a abse class, or anything else. Optimized builds often dip into a class here and there, in fact.


(which means, you can be Base3/1PrC/1PrC/1PrC/1PrC/.../1PrC, with 17 different presetige classes, and be level 20, if you like and qualify for all of them).
10th-Mar-2006 09:12 pm (UTC)
"(which means, you can be Base3/1PrC/1PrC/1PrC/1PrC/.../1PrC, with 17 different presetige classes, and be level 20, if you like and qualify for all of them)."

And if the DM actually allows such a thing. ;-)
10th-Mar-2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
Well, true. On the other hand, its rare that first level PrC abilities are world breaking. If you get a cool ability (Sneak Attack, significant spellcasting progression, etc.) you probably aren't getting any BAB, and vice versa.

You will get some kick as saving throws, though. (I, personally, think good saves should be at 1/2 level, rounded up, in order to avoid that brokeness, but that means lowering saves a little. probably to 9+spell level, rather than 10, at least).)
11th-Mar-2006 02:41 am (UTC)
Here's a solution to the save front-loading that multiclassing gives, that several friends of mine and I all use in our games:

BAB and Save Progressions are class-independent. They are based on all your levels in classes with particular progressions.

BAB:
Good = the Fighter progression (=level).
Medium = the Cleric progression (=level*3/4, rounded down).
Poor = the Wizard progression (=level/2, rounded down).

Saves:
Good = Fighter's Fort progression (=2+(level/2), rounded down).
Poor = Fighter's Will progression (=level/3, rounded down).

(As a side-note, we use a "Medium" save progression halfway between these. Poor is basically =0+level/3, so Medium is =1+(level*2/5), rounded down.)

Instead of using the straight BAB and Save numbers listed for each class or prestige class, stack levels of progressions. For instance:

Ranger 1/Monk 6/Sorcerer 5/Dragon Disciple 8.

By the RAW, this character has:
  • BAB +13 (+1 Rgr, +4 Mnk, +2 Sor, +6 DDs)
  • Fort +14 (+2 Rgr, +5 Mnk, +1 Sor, +6 DDs)
  • Ref +10 (+2 Rgr, +5 Mnk, +1 Sor, +2 DDs)
  • Will +15 (+0 Rgr, +5 Mnk, +4 Sor, +6 DDs)
Those Fort and Will saves look a bit nasty... Why does this character, with all his Sorcerer levels, have a better base Fort than a Barbarian 20?

By my system, he has:
  • BAB +12 (+1 from 1 level of Good (Rgr), +10 from 14 levels of Medium (Mnk, DDs), +2 from 5 levels of Poor (Sor))
  • Fort +10 (+9 from 15 levels of Good (Rgr, Mnk, DDs), +1 from 5 levels of Poor (Sor))
  • Ref +7 (+5 from 7 levels of Good (Rgr, Mnk), +2 from 8 levels of Poor (Sor, DDs))
  • Will +11 (+11 from 19 levels of Good (Rgr, Mnk, DDs), +0 from 1 level of Poor (Rgr))
Seems a lot more reasonable to me.
12th-Mar-2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
This recently described at...
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sg/20060303a

I'm with the "what-ever" conclusion, but only because I don't have any problem believing that a Wizard/Sorceror/Warlock/Druid is even less focussed on learning to fight than straight wizard of the same level.

(And also because I wittered on to my RuneQuest GM about the harshness of the zero/+1d4 damage bonus for three years to no effect in the late eigthies, and I don't see why anyone, including me, should start having any rules-smoothing fun now!)
13th-Mar-2006 03:39 pm (UTC)
Also, if you have the prerequisites for and if there are no conflicts between the Classes.
10th-Mar-2006 09:13 pm (UTC)
Yep. You can switch PrC's and base classes as often as you want, as long as you qualify for them. Nothing says you ahve to keep going with your first PrC, or that you can't swap back and forth between classes. the only issue might be multiple base classes with varying levels (see the PHB about multi-classing), but its a fairly common house rule to ignore that.
10th-Mar-2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
PrC's don't count for Multi-class XP penalties, so you can have as many as you like. At least, that's the popular view on it.

Many DM's limit the amount of PrC's you can join, but usually this is two or three.
10th-Mar-2006 09:40 pm (UTC)
PrC's don't count for Multi-class XP penalties, so you can have as many as you like. At least, that's the popular view on it.

It was left out of the 3.5 DMG by accident and has been corrected in the leatherbound edition, page 176.

They still count as classes for re-entering clingy classes like Paladin though.
10th-Mar-2006 10:29 pm (UTC)
On the other hand, I know of few GMs that don't house rule away the class clinginess. Roleplaying restrictions should be enforced by roleplaying, not by mechanics.
10th-Mar-2006 10:55 pm (UTC)
It really depends on the nature of the class and the nature of the brokenness it would entail. For example, my favorite build is a Monk/Duelist combination. If I were a DM, though, I would not allow a Monk 5/Duelist 10 (or whatever) to go back to being a monk without SERIOUS extenuating circumstances, because that's just too broken. You have to sacrifice something for it--you can't just let that run around willy-nilly.

In terms of the "nature of the class," a Monk who became a Duelist (in my estimation) would represent a dedicated, serious martial artist who decided that the way of monkdom was too painstaking and time-consuming, and ran off to become a flashy snotty dueling-person, which is entirely inconsistent with the nature of the Monk class.

I would solve this problem (as the DM) by creating a Monk-style Duelist-style prestige class, limiting its abilities, and scaling it down to 5 levels only. And make it a special "monks may continue advancing" class.
11th-Mar-2006 12:32 am (UTC)
That's still spreading your stats a little thin just for a high AC. Unless he's a monk/duelist/swashbuckler.
21st-Jun-2008 12:54 am (UTC)
"monks may continue advancing"...

What does that mean, anyhow? I've been looking at the Drunken Master prestige class, and it says that as part of the description, but I can't figure out what that actually means...

Can you shed some light on the phrase?
11th-Mar-2006 01:46 am (UTC)
Right, I forgot to add that last bit.

Unless your PrC says otherwise, like Paladin/Knight of the Chalice or Monk/Tattood Monk, etc.
10th-Mar-2006 10:58 pm (UTC)
Don't think this has been covered yet...

Prestige classes with 10 levels: IIRC, you may advance to level 11 and above in such a class IF you already have 20 levels in a base class. Otherwise, no dice. This is meant to balance the brokenness of many PrC's. (Check the Epic descriptions on the SRD, but I think that's the reasoning.)

Prestige classes with fewer than 10 levels: You may never advance farther in any of these, ever, once you have maxed them out. This is because few-level prestige classes are TOTALLY broken. I mean, can you imagine an Archmage with extra levels? A Fatespinner? A Nature's Warrior? It would be insane.
10th-Mar-2006 11:01 pm (UTC)
"Also, for prestige classes that dont' bring you up to 20, how do they advance? I checked the SRD on both of these, and no joy there."

No prestige classes go up to 20. Are you referring to epic levels, and how to advance a prestige class that you took at your 20th level? Or are you referring to prestige classes that have 5 levels?
10th-Mar-2006 11:03 pm (UTC)
Oops, never mind. I'm pretty sure flamingophoenix covered it.
10th-Mar-2006 11:39 pm (UTC)
Prestige classes go to 20+ level(s). That was something that was in the air and restricted somewhat but I still have the items printed out from when they did it with 3.0. The formula was the same way with Epic as it was with Epic PrC's. It may not be SRD, but the SRD will be pointless when version 4.0 comes out... er... DDO
11th-Mar-2006 12:26 am (UTC)
Argent Savant is the one I'm worried about, and it's a five-level. We're playing to 20th, so I have five levels with which to do something, and there's an arguement about whether or not I'm allowed to start another PrC.
11th-Mar-2006 03:44 pm (UTC)
In simple terms: Of course you can, there shouldn't be any question.

The DM may wish to limit your choice (or variety) of prestige classes, but s/he shouldn't prevent you from taking any at all.

(Personally, I recommend Elemental Savant. And then, when you get to epic levels, you can take Energy Resistance feats and be pretty much immune to all energy (and force, nearly) damage, just by your very nature!!! I heart that particular build.)
11th-Mar-2006 06:38 pm (UTC)
I don't know about that... around level 15, we have to descend into the abyss... I was thinking about the Sanctified Arcanist, or whatever it is, from BoED. It fits the campaign flavor better. Everyone else has levels of cleric and holy gobbledygook out the wazoo.
11th-Mar-2006 06:56 pm (UTC)
Oooh, that sounds cool. (I've been spending a wee bit too much time reading the Complete Arcane recently...) But I love Exalted Deeds.
10th-Mar-2006 11:37 pm (UTC)
Not only can you take another PrC, but you don't even need to finish one before you can start on another.
10th-Mar-2006 11:39 pm (UTC)
Prestige classes go to 20+ level(s). That was something that was in the air and restricted somewhat but I still have the items printed out from when they did it with 3.0. The formula was the same way with Epic as it was with Epic PrC's. It may not be SRD, but the SRD will be pointless when version 4.0 comes out... er... DDO
11th-Mar-2006 03:11 am (UTC)
Here is a contraversial statement: Disallow prcs. WotC willingly or not threw multiple wrenches in the works by including a seemingly unending number of classes into a class based system, rendering many of the ballance points in that system moot.

What is there, a total of over 600 base plus prestiege classes now? Tell your players 'no'.
11th-Mar-2006 03:45 pm (UTC)
That's the attitude my boyfriend takes. I can see his (and your) point, but I still loves me some PrC's.
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