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17th-Feb-2006 01:07 pm
Does anyone know where I can find a Dragoon Prestige class?
17th-Feb-2006 06:12 pm (UTC)
No but Paranoia Agent = HOTNESS.
17th-Feb-2006 06:15 pm (UTC)
Thanks =)
17th-Feb-2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
It's the Chronic What! Cles of Narnia!
17th-Feb-2006 06:19 pm (UTC)
I have yet to see one published in Wizards. Googling can turn up some fan-made ones. If you find a good one, let me know.
17th-Feb-2006 06:33 pm (UTC)
There's something close (I think) in one of the Forgotten realms books... I'll check....

"Purple Dragon Knight" - Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, Page 49.

17th-Feb-2006 06:50 pm (UTC)
I'm looking for something closer to the Dragoon from Final fantasy
17th-Feb-2006 07:29 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty good at class and PrC design (specifically with a heavy eye towards game balance). I haven't played Final Fantasy, but if you'll describe the noticeable traits of the Dragoon, I could take a crack at designing one for you. My being unrelated to the player(s) or DM could go a decent way towards ensuring the impartiality of the design.
17th-Feb-2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
Er, make that, "I haven't played Final Fantasy _XI_". I love the single-player FF games.
17th-Feb-2006 07:35 pm (UTC)
well they primaraly use pole arms, and jump really high and drop on the enemy with said pole arm.
17th-Feb-2006 07:56 pm (UTC)
which is a bash ahead knight type character? Same thing... they're even called "Dragoons" in the novels.


Check this... it may help Crystal Keep Prestige Class Index.pdf
17th-Feb-2006 07:35 pm (UTC)
Leave it to your Red Mage. Here you go.

Community3e's version
17th-Feb-2006 08:28 pm (UTC)
Very nice, and actually better than what I would have come up with from scratch. I do have a few minor balance-related or consistency-related comments, though.

1) Ftr BAB, Ftr saves, a d10 HD, and nice abilities every level shouldn't also include 4 skill points; the skill points aren't what this class is about. I'd drop it to 2.

2) Longsword and shield both stand out as odd in the proficiency list. I'd drop both of them. Also, longspear is already covered in simple weapon proficiency, and light lances/heavy lances don't exist anymore (they're just "lance"). Duom isn't core, so I'd drop that.

3) Improved Spring Attack doesn't work with most of the weapons they're proficient with. I'd force the Jump check at the start of the action, with failure meaning they can only move and attack as a normal Spring Attack, without the bonus damage. I'd also bump the DC up by 5 per additional die of damage. Also, as written, it wouldn't allow use with, say, a glaive, guisarme or halberd, but it *would* allow use with a pick, rapier or, um, spiked chain. I'd just open it to any weapon.

4) Ignore Armor is a little too good, a little too fast. I'd replace the current text with "Beginning at 2nd level, a Dragoon no longer takes an armor check penalty on Jump checks, and can perform a Spring Attack in Heavy Armor. At 5th level, the Max Dex bonus for any Medium or Heavy armor a Dragoon wears is increased by 1, and her armor check penalty in Medium or Heavy armor for all purposes is reduced by 1 (minimum of -1). At 8th level, the Dragoon can move at full speed in any type of armor, and her armor check penalty in Medium or Heavy armor for all purposes is reduced by 2 instead of 1 (minimum of 0)."

5) Impale is almost too good with no per-day limitations. You might instead say "When using a shortspear, spear, longspear, trident, glaive, guisarme, lance, halberd or ranseur, increase your critical multiplier by 1." This would drop the full-round action and AoO. Crits with weapons like that are likely to be stabs to or towards vital areas anyway.

6) For Adjacent Strike, list the weapons: longspear, glaive, guisarme, lance and ranseur, or say "any two-handed hafted weapon with reach".

7) For Improved Impale, either increase the multiplier again, or say: "When using one of the weapons usable for Impale, increase your critical threat range by 1, and gain a +4 bonus on your confirmation roll." The two-target effect is a little wonky when taken in combination with the hit point model (i.e. a 40-point hit on someone who has 80 hp left afterwards isn't an actual stab).

8) Spear Affinity: what type of action? I'd make it a standard action to activate, like a flaming or frost weapon, or I'd make it a swift action usable once per minute (to mimic the dragon breath weapon cooldown time). Also, add a caveat that Dragoons who emulate dragons whose breath weapons do not deal fire, cold, acid or lightning energy damage gain no effect from this ability. (Sonic is just too good to allow in most cases; if you must, drop the damage die to +1d4 for sonic.) Add the list of weapons from Impale.

9) While I know where Leap Attack is coming from, it's just too unlikely for a D&D game. I'd make this the full-round action attack:

"Leap Attack: The most proud achievements of a Dragoon is the leap attack. As a full-round action, the Dragoon leaps into the air, then lands on one opponent within 30 feet. This is treated as a modified charge, granting a +4 bonus to attack and a -4 penalty to the Dragoon's Armor Class. In addition, the Dragoon makes a Jump check. The Dragoon gains additional damage as listed below, and gains an additional +4 to any critical confirmation roll. After this attack, the Dragoon lands back in her original position, and is considered fatigued until the end of her next action (can neither run nor charge and takes a -2 penalty to Strength and Dexterity).
Jump check resultBonus damage
< 10+1d6

17th-Feb-2006 08:31 pm (UTC)
Erk. In the Leap Attack section, change "This is treated as a modified charge, granting..." to "This is treated as a Spring Attack combined with a modified charge, so it provokes no attacks of opportunity and grants..."
17th-Feb-2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
*shrugs shooulders* I am not the author of the thread but I am sure the looker will be quite happy with it. All I do is twink out, what with my library and rule finding skills
17th-Feb-2006 09:21 pm (UTC)
Make that "not the author of the class"
18th-Feb-2006 01:58 am (UTC)
Maybe you just wanna make a fighter who uses the Leap Attack feat from Complete Adventurer. There's not much to Final Fantasy Dragoons beyond the jumping and spear-using thing.
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