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+1 lvl of existing spellcasting class 
22nd-Oct-2005 01:27 pm
wicked handclasp
I know this has come up before, but I can't find the discussion, so I'll ask again.

For prestige classes that state the character gets +1 lvl of spells per day as if they had gained a level in an existing spellcasting class, this basically means that sorcerers get screwed, right? They don't get more spells known, just more spells/day...
22nd-Oct-2005 06:44 pm (UTC)
"They don't get more spells known, just more spells/day..."

I don't see the downside.

22nd-Oct-2005 09:06 pm (UTC)
You don't see the downside? Seriously? ... For example, as a mystic theurge sorc/cleric, I get lots of spell slots, but can only ever cast 2nd lvl arcane spells, that would suck.
22nd-Oct-2005 06:48 pm (UTC)
No, they do gain more spells per day. The wording was vague in early publications, but it has since been clarified that +1 level means that they gain all the spellcasting abilities as if they had gained a level. This includes spells known.
22nd-Oct-2005 09:03 pm (UTC)
see, I thought I remembered seeing that. can you tell me where this is? I couldn't find it in the faq or errata... am I missing it?
22nd-Oct-2005 09:11 pm (UTC)
I peeked through the FAQ and I didn't see it... I'm not sure it's been written up officially as stuff, it's just kind of obvious since all the new source books say new spells per day and new spells known.

If I had time I'd keep looking for it. I'm sure it applies that way though. And if not, people really should house-rule it that way :p
22nd-Oct-2005 07:24 pm (UTC)
yeah, out of the 2 main spellcasters (sor and wiz) sorcerers gare better off, because a PrC gaining wizard's spell levels wouldn't gain the bonus feats along the way. sorcerers gain not but spelles know.
22nd-Oct-2005 09:04 pm (UTC)
I would disagree. Wizards can still buy spells and learn them, and they don't get that many more known per level anyway. Sorcerers just CANT learn more spells.
22nd-Oct-2005 09:21 pm (UTC)
unless the prestige class states you get bonus feats, you don't get the bonus feats you would normally get in your normal spellcasting class. "+1 level progression" only applies to spells per day and spells known.

And I say wizards are better off. But then, I hate sorcs. The only good thing sorcs have going for them is spontaneous casting, which is a bane for any sorc that likes to use metamagic, and makes quicken spell a moot point, without the proper feats/prestiges.
22nd-Oct-2005 09:17 pm (UTC)
you get everything as far as spellcasting goes that you would have gotten if you progressed another level in sorc/wiz/bard/cleric/whatever. more spells known/spells per day.
22nd-Oct-2005 10:40 pm (UTC)
You do get known too.
23rd-Oct-2005 04:01 pm (UTC)
Skip Williams wrote:
> Andrew Tellez wrote:
> > First, if a Sorcerer or Bard takes levels in the Loremaster prestige
> > class (or other prestige class that continues spell access), does the
> > number of spells known increase, or only the number of spells that can
> > be cast per day? The text seems to indicate that they wouldn't, but
> > that doesn't seem useful. ...

> Sorcerers and bards get more spells per day and more spells known. Wizards
> get more spells per day and free spells for their spell books.

Note that many/most PrCs (those from the DMG, for starters) have been clarified in errata to state explicitly that +1 level of spellcasting class does apply to both spells per day and spells known. PrCs from the Complete series already have this noted in the text (pre-errata).
24th-Oct-2005 06:36 pm (UTC)
*scratches head* The errata was the first thing I checked. I didn't see anything clarifying that in there, and it's only 2 pages, so I don't think I missed it... where'd you find that anyway? I knew I read this somewhere, I just couldn't find it!
24th-Oct-2005 09:21 pm (UTC)
Whoops. It's in the 3.0 DMG errata. I don't have a 3.5 DMG handy, but did they forget to carry it over? In any case, it's clearly stated in the newer Complete * books.
24th-Oct-2005 07:41 pm (UTC)
I googled for Skip's text and it only appears in the Usenet archives as part of a quoted email from "The Sage" to Mr Tellez. Skip is generally correct: just don't expect him to round halves down consistently...
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