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well, I just saw the next article about clerics, and it confirms that… 
6th-Apr-2005 06:58 pm
well, I just saw the next article about clerics, and it confirms that clerics can, in fact, use a higher level spell slot to prepare a lesser spell:

A cleric's spell slot can hold a spell of its level or of a lower level.

A cleric can prepare a lower-level spell in a higher-level slot, just as any other spellcaster can. If the cleric's Wisdom score won't allow her to prepare spells in her higher-level slots, she still can use those slots for lower-level slots. For example, a 9th-level cleric has 4th-level spell slots available. If the cleric has a Wisdom score of only 13, however, she can prepare and cast up to 3rd-level spells only. She can prepare spells of 3rd level or lower in her otherwise unusable 4th-level spell slots. Although the text on page 32 in the Player's Handbook seems to imply that a domain spell slot can hold a spell of its own level only, there's no good reason to bar a cleric from preparing a lower-level spell from one of her domains for that slot.

Like other spellcasters, clerics also can prepare spells using metamagic feats, which make those spells use higher-level spell slots. To prepare or cast a spell modified with most metamagic feats, the cleric's Wisdom score must be at least equal to 10 + the spell's unmodified level. For example, a cleric with a Wisdom score of 14 can use a 5th-level spell slot to prepare a 4th-level spell modified with the Enlarge Spell metamagic feat (which makes the spell use a slot one level higher than normal). The Heighten Spell metamagic feat actually raises the spell's level, as noted in the D&D FAQ. To prepare or cast a spell modified with the Heighten Spell feat, the cleric's Wisdom score must be equal to 10 + the spell's modified level

and, just in case you want to read the whole article:
All about Clerics, part 2

yea, i know, i was wrong....but at least i'm admitting to it!
7th-Apr-2005 12:19 am (UTC)
500 xp for admitting to it.
7th-Apr-2005 01:00 am (UTC)
its still cheese
7th-Apr-2005 01:12 am (UTC)
So if a 9th-level cleric with Wisdom 14 can use his 5th-level spell slot to cast 4th-level spells (since he can't cast 5th-level spells), it's cheesy?
7th-Apr-2005 09:22 pm (UTC)
the whole purpose of using set stats are to provide limitations, a way to challenge a player... and if you can do something like this then why set limitations?
7th-Apr-2005 09:36 pm (UTC)
but the cleric is limited from casting higher level spells, or even Heightening lower spells
7th-Apr-2005 10:21 pm (UTC)
but what of the other classes that aren't magic users? they have to deal with the same limitations with no way to circumvent them for extra benefits A fighter for example, have to deal with having a low strength, and if a Rogue has a below average Dex, then they have to deal with it.

so why should the casting classes (and I would presume that this would apply to the other casting classes) have a way to weasel around this limitation?
7th-Apr-2005 10:32 pm (UTC)
There's no weaseling, you can't get spells above that level, period. The least he can do is use those spell slots for something lesser.

And personally if I was a rogue with a crappy dex, I'd multiclass or focus on cha skills.
7th-Apr-2005 01:23 am (UTC)
How is it cheese? Honestly it makes perfect sense. The ability to downgrade a spell slot to lower level spell...is well.. perfectly sound.

"I, Kelemvor, will not grant to the lower level of healing..,.YOU MUST TAKE THE HIGHER LEVEL ONE" Its honestly quite rediculious
7th-Apr-2005 09:27 pm (UTC)
ok.... again, the whole reason for stats is to provide a way to limit the power of a character, this is just a loophole in that intent
7th-Apr-2005 08:30 am (UTC)
You earned the cass levels, you may as well do something with them.
7th-Apr-2005 09:28 pm (UTC)
and that is why you are allowed a chance to raise a stat every several levels
8th-Apr-2005 01:23 am (UTC)
A 9th-level cleric with Wisdom 14 who fills up his 5th-level spell slot with a 4th-level spell is cheesy, but a 9th-level cleric with Wisdom 15 is not cheesy?

What's your definition of cheesy anyway?
9th-Apr-2005 04:24 pm (UTC)
I still fail to see your justification for not allowing the cleric to use these spell slots for something else.

If a player has 35,000 gold, and wanted to buy a stat boosting item, would you force them to wait for another 1,000 gold to buy a +6 item? Or let them buy two +4 items and something else?

It's the same level of 'cheese'.
9th-Apr-2005 04:26 pm (UTC)
It's funny that you mention min-maxing.

It seems that you're fine with a fighter having low strength or a rogue having low dexterity and using their feats/skills on different aspects than the archetypical class design (min/max!)...

... yet you're forcing clerics to min/max or not get all of their abilities.
9th-Apr-2005 09:03 pm (UTC)
you'd have to ask how did they earn that 35000gp....however they did it, unless the DM was Monty Hauling the campaign, they earned it, the same way a player can earn a stat boost every 4 levels

and the restrictions that I would place on buying stat boosting items would be where they were buying them (if the city/town/etc. doesn't have a wiz/clr/sor who can make them, or can't afford to make them) and a limit on how much of a boost can be placed in an item (never anything higher than +5, and anything above +2 are rare items)

but if they can find them (in game) and afford them then i wouldn't have a problem with it.
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