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A Wand of Counterspells...? 
25th-Jan-2005 10:22 am
From what I understand, counterspells work as follows: if someone casts a spell and you cast the same exact spell, the energies negate each other.

Assuming that's correct, I was wondering if there is such a thing as a wand that conjures any spell, provided it is used as a counterspell attack. It sounds kind of powerful--if it doesn't exist already, I would assume drawing up such a thing would put it in an artifact status more than just another magic item.

I don't have my books handy right now to see if such a thing has been published. :-) The thought just came to my mind.
25th-Jan-2005 06:29 pm (UTC)
How about a wand of dispel magic, which would do essentially the same thing, since dispel magic can be used to counter spells.
25th-Jan-2005 06:30 pm (UTC)
I think this is overplaying it. Just make a wand of dispel magic and use the standard rules for counterspelling contained therein. (Which means a dispel check vs the countered spells caster check.)

25th-Jan-2005 06:31 pm (UTC)
adamdray beat me to it. WHAT HE SAID! ^^^^^
25th-Jan-2005 06:33 pm (UTC)
I didn't think of that. >.< That's actually a wonderful idea. Thank you!
25th-Jan-2005 06:40 pm (UTC)

First, the character needs to ready an action to counterspell (the Spontaneous Counterspell feat eliminates this).

Second, the character needs to make a Spellcraft check to identify the spell in question.

Third, the character needs to either (1) know the spell in question, and have it prepared if they can't spontaneously cast the spell in question, (2) have the ability to cast Dispel Magic (or Greater, etc.). There is a feat that lets you use similar, higher level spells, rather than the exact same spell.

Fourth, the character casts the spell, and succeed in a spellcaster check if they are using a Dispel Magic variant to dispell.

I'd be fine with a character using a scroll, wand, or staff that can cast the spell in question, to counterspell, as long as the PC had the item in hand already (or quick-draw, or another way to get the item as a free action), and the counterspell action readied. I'm less okay with other items being used to counterspell, but I don't see anything unbalancing with that.

The big problem with counterspells is without the Spontaneous Counterspelling feat, it is bloody expensive to counterspell and usually more effective to do something else to stop the caster from dropping their spell, and with that feat (I forget which 3rd party introduced the feat), counterspelling becomes trivially easy.

25th-Jan-2005 06:48 pm (UTC)
When you use Dispel Magic, is the DC 11 + the spellcaster level to dispel the spell they're casting? I couldn't find the DC for the Dispel Magic use.

Can you use a Dispel Magic to counter a spell a higher level than the Dispel Magic Spell? If I remember right, Greater Dispel magic is a 5th or 6th level spell...(I don't have my books ^_^) Can it counter an 8th or 9th level spell, for example?
25th-Jan-2005 08:17 pm (UTC)
Yes it can, but the odds are good that an 8th or 9th level spell was cast by a very high level caster - therefore it will be that much harder to dispel.

Too bad you can't make a wand of Mordenkainen's Disjunction, eh?
25th-Jan-2005 11:13 pm (UTC)
You could always make a Ring of Counterspells that doesn't have the limit of one spell at a time being cast into it, it would just cost a small fortune.
26th-Jan-2005 05:51 pm (UTC)
I just made a master counterspeller; here's what I did--give her improved counterspell (you may now counter spells with a spell from the same SCHOOL of magic), reactive counterspell wich allows you to counter a spell without actually readying the action to do so, and then take levels in archmage and take mastery of counterspelling. Now you turn spells back on the caster when you counter them! Whee!
26th-Jan-2005 06:14 pm (UTC)
What books are all those additional feats found in?
27th-Jan-2005 06:56 pm (UTC)
Improved counterspell is in the players handbook 3.5 I think, and reactive counterspell is in magic of faerun-- which is technicallyh 3.0, but, I use it anyway. I was hoping they would include update it in the Complete Arcane, but, as far as I know it isn't in there. The archmage prestige class is in the Dungeon master's guide.
26th-Jan-2005 10:14 pm (UTC) - Just an answer to your question
First of all props on the awesome idea!!

The counter-spell idea is correct. Cast the same spell at someone that they cast at you and it counters it. As far as I know, according to all three core rule books and the epic handbook no such wand exists. If a caster where clever enough (and a high enough level) it might be possible that he could create a wand that had a counter-spell effect. After all artifacts do do the amazing. It would seem more practical and cheaper though to have a wand made with the dispel seed from the epic handbook. It can dispel even those spells that can't be normally dispelled. Hope that helps.
27th-Jan-2005 06:32 am (UTC) - Re: Just an answer to your question
The Dispel Seed, is that an epic level (10th) spell? I don't have my Epic Level Handbook with me at the moment...

If it is...can a wand hold 10th level spells? I guess that's a good question, even if it's not 10th level. I thought that epic spells (dweomers?) require such immense needs that the idea of putting them in a wand might seem rather insane.

Fun, maybe. But also insane. :-)
27th-Jan-2005 10:39 am (UTC) - Re: Just an answer to your question
It is the the seed that you can use to create epic level spells. Yes wands can hold epic level spells, if you have an epic level caster (most likely wiz not sorc) that can create and cast a epic level spell using the dispel seed. Then as long as he has the item creation feat craft wand, he could make it.

And really in an epic level game creating a wand of this power would be childs play (or a challange for certain PCs). It would be fun (if not only a bit crazy). But then again Tenser was a bit crazy himself (dang mage transforming into a raging barbarian that doesn't know friend from foe).

As far as putting Epic spells into items, well give me a wand of maximized, energy add mixed (lightning) meteor swarm any day. Lol. It is a epic wizards best friend. (as long as he can use it)
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