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17th-Jan-2005 09:01 pm
Xander .....ME!!
Is it just me or is EVERYONE an ass to the gnome. I'm in a new campaign and I decided to be something different and be a Gnome bard. And so far I hate it not because the character is bad I LOVE MY CHARACTER. I hate it because everyone in the party loves to dick with the gnome. Is this a common thing (Im new to d&d) and whats the best way to get back at them. so far the main members doing this is the human druid and two warforges err!! any advice would be useful.

GNOMES WILL HAVE THERE VENGENCE....(by the way im chaotic good but if i have to change that to get back at them im more than willing gnomes are awesome and they need to be respected lol)
18th-Jan-2005 03:12 am (UTC)
Sometime during the dark days of DnD (the terrible time between 1st edition and 3rd edition), the people at TSR decided to make gnomes into annoying little twits. That even crept a little into 3.5, but thankfully it went away. Hopefully the hate and disdain for gnomes will fade someday too.
18th-Jan-2005 03:15 am (UTC)
I am personally a fan of kenders. All the short races tend to be treated like children, because they are of that height. Look at the way people treat midgets in todays society.......

Its uncommon, but not unknown to happen. It really depends on the Roleplayers. Many whom are having fun, but not nessecerily staying IC alot, will do it. Its a hieght thing. ALso gnomes are very childish... they enjoy life, play practical jokes, masters of illusion...etc
18th-Jan-2005 07:12 am (UTC)
But dude...Kender ACT like children. They ARE children for all intents and purposes. You have to approach them on that level to really interact with them and understand them.

My wizard in Krynn actually dumped out his pockets so the kender could paw all over everything and satisfy his curiosity. He even gave him a little gift of something sparkly and let him read his spell-book (even though all it did was give the poor thing a headache). He had a stalwart friend after that. The kender actually did what was asked of him occasionally...at least by the wizard...
18th-Jan-2005 01:59 pm (UTC)
hahaha nice... one of my friends is going to play a kender in a new game we're starting with a primarily evil party where the characters who already know him already hate him... that's going to be interesting. :)
18th-Jan-2005 04:17 pm (UTC)
Dude.... you're awesome!

Gnomes really aren't. I think the 2.0 Gnomes were more Tinker Gnomes then anything else, but even so as often as not gnomes shouldn't be relegated to the treatment of kenders.
18th-Jan-2005 03:37 am (UTC)
I'm an ass to gnomes, dwarves, & halflings...an equal opptorunity jerk to the wee ones.

I like Kender, though.
18th-Jan-2005 03:41 am (UTC)
I like gnomes.
18th-Jan-2005 03:46 am (UTC)
People usually underestimate the shorter folk. Sometimes, you just have to earn their respect the hard way. My wizard got picked on by our party of warriors until they were getting their tail's kicked by an uber-boss. I disintegrated it's ass with some heaven sent die rolls. Based on the outcome and the loot we got, suddenly my character was respected.

Just a thought.
18th-Jan-2005 04:18 am (UTC)
In the group I play with, a few people play gnomes more often than not, and they haven't shown any sort of hatred towards the race. It's more likely that they will make fun of someone playing a bard, but even then its all in good fun, heh.
18th-Jan-2005 04:23 am (UTC)
I enjoy playing s gnome character. I was the brunt of many a small joke, but I earned my parties respect by saving their asses all by my little lonesome. My party was knocked unconcious after encountering Toulken and being thrown off of a mountain and caught by Ogres. I tracked the Ogres down and slayed them with the help of the dice gods. In my experience Gnomes are a great ally and a dangerous enemy, if played right. So good luck and soon they will learn to repect you. If not just bitch slap them. They can't see when they have dancing lights in their eyes....LOL.
18th-Jan-2005 04:43 am (UTC)
Not change it-USE it:> Much more satisfying to screw them over(probably only in little ways) because of their preconceptions than to lose that advantage.

Did you see this one??
18th-Jan-2005 05:28 am (UTC)
Well, not as silly as the looks I'll get for being a Githyanki bard. :D:D:D

er. Yeah. I say use themselves against themselves. I
18th-Jan-2005 05:32 am (UTC)
You may want to read the latest part of the dark elf saga by R.A. Salvatore. It has a gnome in it who is staying with a colony of dwarves. Though he is Gnomely, the Dwarves see him as only a little strange. He certainly does not behave like the retard Gnomes of Dragonlance. I've always seen them as sort of half-dwarves. What world are you playing in?
18th-Jan-2005 06:58 am (UTC)
you should have been a chaos gnome.
18th-Jan-2005 06:58 am (UTC)
Hmm, three of the players in my campaign are playing gnomes and not having any problems... I'm afraid it sounds like your group. :(
18th-Jan-2005 07:14 am (UTC)
Return the favor with tall jokes (how's the weather up there?), pranks (there's a giant centipede in my sleeping bag!), and competence. Your addition to the party will be recognized.

Additionally, speak with your fellow players and find out if their characters have a decent reason for provoking you.
18th-Jan-2005 08:08 pm (UTC)
Blame Dragonlance, man.  Damn tinker gnomes...

Anyway, I've got nothing against gnomes.  I've actually played a CG gnome bard myself.  However, there's only one "small race" in my homebrew setting.

Well, actually, that's not entirely true.  I'm sure there are goblins, kobolds, and possibly even tasloi in the Southlands.  But instead of the PHB "small races," there are apsuri...who aren't gnomes or halflings.  (Or kender, for that matter...ghawdz, no!)

18th-Jan-2005 09:53 pm (UTC)
Like most stereo-types, the gnome's earned their disdain by others by being jerkoffs.

You don't HAVE to be a jerkoff, but if they're going to mess around with you, you might as well mess around with them.

You're a Bard, right? Fascinate them and then weave a Suggestion that they all give you their money.

That always goes over well.

And, failing that, you can always paint them strange colors, etc. Prank the life out of them until they finally say "GODS DAMNIT! WE'RE SORRY! JUST STOP!"
18th-Jan-2005 10:23 pm (UTC)
"Gnomes... shifty little bastards. They're short, creepy, and will just as soon lie to you and kill you in your sleep as look at you. Gnomes need no respect, only a large dose of killing and smashing. Look at them, the filthy little buggers, living like fake dwarves and dealing in illusions and talking to rabbits... they're just like kobolds, minus the scales. We once had a whole game of wiping gnomes out, which, incidentally, was one of the most fun games I had. The thing is that racial hatred of gnomes is not only in the game, it's almost expected to some degree; hell, in Eberron, the Zilargo gnomes do nothing but give you excuses to kill them... their secret society nonsense, their whole shady agenda behind every smile. Kill the little buggers, say I."

This quoted from one of my players who read this post as I was. I don't necessarily agree, though personally I'm no fan of gnomes, either, and as extreme as all that is, he does raise some interesting (if oft repeated) points.
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