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13th-Jan-2005 10:48 pm
Xander .....ME!!
Hey a character in my campaign has been asking if there is a seduction skill or if its tied to bluff. she basiclly wants to be able to woo men to do her bidding lol. I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. She is a level six fighter level one sorcoress (one another note this is my first campaign so im really unsure of alot of things so please don't mock me for sucking lol) well thats all thanks
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14th-Jan-2005 05:00 am (UTC)
I'd say make it a feat. "seduce" with a +4 to bluff when she's trying to seduce a man. Also a +2 to sense motive to recognize it being done and a few other such things.
14th-Jan-2005 05:02 am (UTC)
I would probably just say it's tied to Bluff. I think there might be something about that in Song and Silence, but I might be imagining things.

There used to be a skill called 'inuendo,' but I think that was merged into bluff. Of course you could always make a 'perform: seduce' skill, being charisma based.

It might depend on the circumstances. You may want to switch off between bluff, diplomacy, and intimidate, which are the three ways of getting people to agree with you (lying to them, begging them, or threatening them). Diplomacy may work better if she's asking people for sex, but then intimidate may apply if she wants to force someone to do something to get sex. Bluff would apply if she wants to pretend to people that they will get sex (this last is what a certain character in my campaign has been doing. Not seducing people, but convincing them that if they're nice to her, they might get some. Which of course they don't)
14th-Jan-2005 06:51 am (UTC)
Bluff is Charisma based, too.
14th-Jan-2005 04:05 pm (UTC)
I know, hence my logic
14th-Jan-2005 09:37 am (UTC)
I remember that being in Sword and Fist acutally . . .
14th-Jan-2005 05:14 am (UTC)
I'd say "Performance: Seduce" or something akin to that. Synergy with bluff maybe?



~Ray
14th-Jan-2005 05:40 am (UTC)
You could also make it really simple and just make it a charisma check. I don't think it should be a feat; anyone should be able to at least try to seduce someone. If you're lying, then it should be bluff. If you're trying to improve someone's attitude, just use the normal diplomacy rules for doing so. And, as stated, if you're threatening someone, use intimidate. Like I said, a simple charisma check may be easier.
14th-Jan-2005 06:04 am (UTC)
Try G.U.C.K., The Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge (d20). However, you might want to read the disclaimer first here.

14th-Jan-2005 06:06 am (UTC)
(I admit, it's kind of silly. . .)
14th-Jan-2005 06:10 am (UTC)
There is this book called the Book of Erotic Fantasy (BoEF), ISBN: 0-9742045-1-X, $34.95 USD.

They have all kinds of seduction rules and such.

A new use of the Bluff skill allows a connection with a potential sexual partner to be made, provided one makes a successful check (BoEF, page 42).

The book is not d20 stamped, but is OGL compliant, due to WOtC not being comfortable with the subject matter.
14th-Jan-2005 01:12 pm (UTC)
The book is not d20 stamped, but is OGL compliant, due to WOtC not being comfortable with the subject matter.

The book isn't d20 stamped not only because WotC's former VP wasn't comfortable with WotC's oversight, but because Valar publishing issued a press release that tread on the "no indications of compatability or co-adaptability" rule in the OGL.

Not to mention that it was factually wrong -- both GUCK 3e and Mongoose's Blue Magic predated it by several months.
14th-Jan-2005 01:39 pm (UTC)
If you plan to involve adult encounters in your game however this is a good book.

It should also be noted that the book is filled with photographs of beautiful naked women. When they put a mature warning on it, they MEAN it.

What could be better for the young male gamer eh?
14th-Jan-2005 03:21 pm (UTC)
The book isn't d20 stamped not only because WotC's former VP wasn't comfortable with WotC's oversight, but because Valar publishing issued a press release that tread on the "no indications of compatability or co-adaptability" rule in the OGL.

I haven't heard about the Valar press release. You got a URL for it by any chance? All I remember is that WotC wasn't comfortable with the content, and the lack of control that they would have over it, so they refused to allow it to be d20 stamped.

Not to mention that it was factually wrong -- both GUCK 3e and Mongoose's Blue Magic predated it by several months.

Define "factually wrong".

Just because something predated it doesn't make it wrong. Thats the beauty of the OGL and d20, they allow for more variety for us DMs and Players to select from, choose what we want, and ignore the rest.

Being that this is a fantasy rpg, I don't think any of us truly know how some of the species reproduce, or go about all the other functions of romance. In the end, its what the DM wants for his game. Myself, I used BoEF and Bastards and Bloodlines (Green Ronin), and my own ideas.

I've never heard of Blue Magic, and as for GUCK 3e, I hadn't seen a 3e version of it until last night.
14th-Jan-2005 04:16 pm (UTC)
Mongoose's Blue Magic = Encyclopaedia Arcane: Nymphology (PDF only - Published 03/2003)

So, are you saying that BoEF is wrong, because they state they are the first book to deal with this material?

14th-Jan-2005 06:50 am (UTC)
Use a Bluff check while flirting. The implicit message is "If you do what I want, you have a good chance of being able to sleep with me."

Those who beat her Bluff with their Sense Motive skill see through her flirtations; those who fail may become besotted with her. Actually, there should be some sort of attraction check - not EVERY male is going to drool over her, after all.
14th-Jan-2005 12:29 pm (UTC)
Of course, you could just cheat and go for plenty of Enchantment spells :-)
14th-Jan-2005 01:11 pm (UTC)
Bluff? BLUFF? Bah.

Seduction shoudl be a perform skill. Perform (Courtesan) works just like all the others, and covers exotic dancing, flirting, sensual massage, and truly X-rated activity.

Have 5 ranks of this skill give a +2 synergy bonus to Bluff and Diplomacy checks. (You *could* limit it by gender, but that's probably more trouble than its worth.)

14th-Jan-2005 06:14 pm (UTC)
You also realize that you can not only use the idea of either a Bluff, Perform: seduction, Diplomacy, etc etc, that have been mentioned, but you can also just up and make an entirely new skill, don't you?

It's not going to screw with game mechanics terribly, unless everybody is going to be going around doing it. As long as you can figure out if it's an opposed check or not (and it should be), have it work something like an Intimidate check (meaning, have the roll contested by a modified level check), or make up a skill that counters it altogether.

The first way is easier, since you won't have to have everybody allocate skill points into not being seduced. This way, you'll be secucing the weak (or, in this case, the weak minded/willed) much more often than those who have better things to do or are too intelligent for such stupidity.

Either way...I think it's a waste of game time.
14th-Jan-2005 07:14 pm (UTC) - Thanks
Thanks for all the advice I think I'm just going to stick with using bluff/intimidation for certain situations. I really appreciate all your help and I'm sure I'll have more questions in the future.
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