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So one of my players got implanted with some Huge Monstrous Spider… 
29th-Mar-2004 07:58 pm
So one of my players got implanted with some Huge Monstrous Spider eggs the other night. I gave her a couple of Fort saves to see if her body would reject the eggs but, luck of luck, she failed. So can anyone think of any plausible ways that she could somehow bring some sort of hideous spider/human baby to term? I'm thinking it'd look pretty similar to a drider (except with a human half rather than a drow), be less powerful, be a baby, and maybe have some nice mandibles protruding from its mouth. But I just can't think of any believeable ways for a human to conceive such a hybrid. Any suggestions?
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29th-Mar-2004 05:01 pm (UTC)
I'd think Aliens. That's the only way that really makes sense to me.
29th-Mar-2004 05:04 pm (UTC)
I meant in terms of the game, though. Like...how could I possibly explain to my players the logic of their monk's pregnancy by a spider? I guess magic is the answer to everything. I'm thinking of saying that either the spider had been tampered with by some evil druid or something, or maybe some drow (what with their love of spiders and all), or maybe I'll have some evil magic user do something to the mother-to-be. I just don't know.

-Ryan
29th-Mar-2004 05:07 pm (UTC)
if air elementals can mate with humans, then a monk can give birth to large intelligent spiders.
They wouldn't have to be a cross breed since she was implanted with the eggs...

It's D&D, there doesn't need to be an absolute logical explanation... she'll have to give birth to term, or abort.... can she abort implanted spider eggs? maybe an operation....
any skilled cleric surgeons around?
29th-Mar-2004 05:14 pm (UTC)
You're assuming that the eggs were implanted in a nice, birthing orifice, they could come bursting out of anywhere unhappy.
And you're right, Spider's already got eggs, it's not getting genetic information from her, and she's certainly not about to fertilize somebody else's eggs.
29th-Mar-2004 05:16 pm (UTC)
I briefly entertained the idea of giving her some ridiculous ability like being able to summon a swarm of spiders from her crotch or something, but I think it'd be far more interesting if there was a half-human/half-spider child that hung around the group...


I think there'll have to be some sort of magical tampering...
29th-Mar-2004 09:07 pm (UTC)
If your players need a logical explaination (as I recall from your earlier posts they may not), then I'm not sure you could give them one. Because it isn't logical at all. So yes, you'd have to use magic.

My idea is to have the spider be a cursed (or blessed) Drow or something. So it'd effectively be a shapechanger (like a Dragon, so the same 'logic' governing the birth of half-dragons applies). Then you can have the baby (if you really want to do that...) be a shapeshifter subtype, or a half-drow, or both.

Of course, as the DM, you don't really have to explain anything :p.
29th-Mar-2004 05:16 pm (UTC)
Oh lord..
29th-Mar-2004 05:21 pm (UTC)
Yeah...I'm sort of obsessed with this sort of stuff : /
29th-Mar-2004 05:31 pm (UTC)
Everytime I see your icon on this community in connection with a post, my stomach lurks. For good reason, too. >.
29th-Mar-2004 05:42 pm (UTC)
Like being in a Ren and Stimpy episode, it is.

(ren)Keep your stinkiness to your self (/ren)
29th-Mar-2004 11:54 pm (UTC)
hahahahahaha!
29th-Mar-2004 05:24 pm (UTC) - Easter Eggs, the kind you do not wish to find.
Usually Huge Monstrous Spiders themselves are the work of a magic spell gone awry, they are not natural ;-)

So I would work with that story and say to the players that she was implanted with something that "looked" like an egg, but not really (think symbiotic relationship) where the item takes stuff from her and gives stuff to her (so she actually would want to keep it)

Of course the book of vile darkness is one of my favorite tools, but you should read up on symbiosis and take advantage of the fact that the character has something inside her not of her choice. Also since this is not a normal human egg, I would probably state that it got sucked into her stomach and latched onto her lungs and heart so that it prevents the pc's from even attempting (think grey slaad eggs)

Man it has been a while since I was this sinister... I gotta DM again soon....
29th-Mar-2004 05:47 pm (UTC) - Re: Easter Eggs, the kind you do not wish to find.
Oh God I love the way you think. The Book of Vile Darkness has been so vital to my campaign. Isn't it much more fun to run a totally warped and twisted campaign as opposed to the generic 'save the village from orcs/goblins/whatever'?
29th-Mar-2004 06:16 pm (UTC) - Re: Easter Eggs, the kind you do not wish to find.
Heh goblins can be pretty wicked when everything in the room turns to jello and the goblins have rings protecting them from it (oh my gawd I can't believe I DM'd that 10 years ago)

Anyways yes the book of vile darkness saves the day on many adventures. I suppose though in your case it all depends on how badly you want this egg to stay in the host.
29th-Mar-2004 05:32 pm (UTC)
Most "implanted" things of this nature can be taken care of with a simple Cure Disease spell.

I can't begin to think of a plausible way to explain some sort of hybrid without having many instances of this kind of thing happening before. If you do this you're basically opening your world to the spider hybrids. Might as well write it in, if you're going to do that.

Considering that it's a monk we're talking about you'd think she has more control over her body (or at least access to someone who can advise) than to let this kind of thing happen for long. I mean...if you had some sort of abominable thing growing in your body you'd probably want to get rid of it.
29th-Mar-2004 07:27 pm (UTC)
well if you look at nature around us today, there are insects ( bees, beetles, and yes spiders) that can and do lay their eggs inside a host. The eggs mature over time and either one: eat the host from the inside out to escape (gives good food too) or two: ruptures the skin and emerges..doesnt matter if she is a monk, paly or whatever...if she got caught, fertilized and such..what could she do? possibly force herself to misscarry?

just my two pence...
29th-Mar-2004 09:15 pm (UTC)
Well...hehe...how about you guys make a side quest:

Said side quest:
You take your monk to a healer, and the healer...messes up. Instead of healing the woman, she instead bonds the eggs with the dna of the monk, creating a spider/human hybrid. She doesn't tell the group but takes her cash anyway. You can tell the player what went on and give her a certain amount of time before she comes to term and spawns this baby spider creature...she's uninjured and you guys have a new little friend. Behold the power of the game designer! BOWAHAHAHA! And why not fight a few random monsters on the way, give everybody a few exp for putting up with it, and have some fun while yer at it
29th-Mar-2004 10:18 pm (UTC)
Oh my god you are totally fucking brilliant. This is so perfect! Thanks so much!
29th-Mar-2004 10:46 pm (UTC)
have fun and get back to us on what happens, hehe,
30th-Mar-2004 11:53 am (UTC)
not bad.... but how bout, instead of a normal birth, the lil beast EATS its way out?
30th-Mar-2004 03:15 pm (UTC)
*shudders!*

You know, I'm taking a Mother Nature class, and it occurs to me that some of our topics might apply here. You guys are familiar with the idea that the placenta that distributes food resources to the embryo in a mother's body is made not by the mother's genes but by the baby's father's genes, right? The father's genes don't care one tiddly-wink if the baby takes too much food from the mother and harms her. The baby is all the matters to the father's genes. In fact, childbirth seems to be one huge conflict of interests. The baby is fighting with the mother, the baby's genes from dad are conflicting with its genes from mom. All kinds of stuff.

In this case, I would go out on a limb and suggest that even if the baby doesn't eat its way out of the 'mom', it is going to take all sorts of resources from her. Your player would have to combat with what would most likely be the hardest, most unpleasant pregnancy anyone has ever or will ever see. Even if she bears the child properly, it's going to be oversized to the point where there's a chance the labor could kill a human (probably not a monk, but...)

Anyway, that's just my two cents. Look at it as a selflish parasite while its in the womb, because from the perspective of the father's genes, that's just what a baby is.
31st-Mar-2004 01:42 pm (UTC)
wellnow.... very nice....
30th-Mar-2004 02:08 am (UTC)
You do have a disturbing mind, all right. Everyone else has stated a lot of different (and good) ideas. The one thing that occurred to me is that you might check Unearthed Arcana. It has some interesting rules for bloodlines and while I might be surprised to find a drider bloodline listed in there, I could be wrong. And there is a template for creating other bloodlines.
12th-Apr-2004 05:18 pm (UTC)
it could be born like a normal human, but as it develops (and the fact that it is half spider could mean it develops or ages quickly) . . . as it develops it could start developing its arachnid features, gradually becoming more and more spider-like.
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