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Good Monk Build? 
8th-Sep-2008 05:16 pm
Good Monk Build?

In my game, my girlfriend is playing a monk, she's already 4th level but we're using the retraining optional rule from the ph2, so that's not a big deal.

The killer thing is her stats. We did point buy, and her lack of int and dex makes her unable to take some feats that would other wise kick ass.

stats(15,10,12,8,16,8)

(She hasn't distributed her +1 stats bonus for being 4th level yet.)


For feats right now she has Imporved Init (1st) and versatile strike (3rd)

Anyone know of anything she should take or any ideas for what prestige class she should do?

She plans on grabbing a level of fighter for the feat and d10 (naming it as her half-elven favored class) at some point, and putting her 4th level ability point into str.

I suggested taking wild talent and bulking up on psionics.

Any ideas?
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8th-Sep-2008 09:34 pm (UTC)
Unless you're using some special house rules or the Monastic Training feat from ECS, that fighter level will keep her from returning to monk.
8th-Sep-2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
Actually Oriental Adventures is what let's the monk leave monk and return, I believe.

Good point though.

Yea, that's a pretty dumb rule, monk's are hindered enough I think. Even if there is no optional rule somewhere for it, I would allow it.
8th-Sep-2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
One of my players is playing a monk in my campaign and he has taken to pouring skill points into use magic device and using wands. He even had a quarterstaff specially crafted to hold a wand on both ends. Of course, if she's already low on int and thus lacking in skill points, that might be hard.
8th-Sep-2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
yea, she gets 4 skill points per level. She has 4 skills she's just been maxing out: spot,listen,tumble,sense motive.

i think use magic device is unfortunately out of the question for her.
8th-Sep-2008 10:12 pm (UTC)
What monk feats does she want that would require a high Dex? Two-Weapon Fighting is useless when you've got Flurry of Blows, and archery feats generally aren't worth it for a monk unless you're an elf. (Half-elves don't have bow proficiencies if I recall correctly.)

Requiring a high Int I could see -- that's useful for stuff like Combat Expertise, which in turn lets you take cool chained feats. Too bad she min-maxed. She could always try a Headband of Intellect or Ioun Stone!

Personally, I really like the Tattooed Monk prestige class from Complete Warrior.

She could also just stay in the monk class -- you get some pretty cool stuff at high levels.

FYI -- this doesn't matter, but when you're a human or a half-elf, you don't get to "pick" your favored class. Your highest class is automatically your favored class. And sometimes, this sucks.

Remember that taking a level of fighter will prevent her from leveling up in monk ever again. (But if she's rebuilding I guess that is moot.)
8th-Sep-2008 10:25 pm (UTC)
According to WotC, 2 weapon fighting stacks with Flurry.

You can argue about whether this is a good thing or not.

8th-Sep-2008 11:17 pm (UTC)
Ouch, a half-elf Monk? That's the worst race and one of the worst classes in 3.5. Your girlfriend is going to have to work pretty hard to make it work.

What books do you have available. Shou Disciple from the FR book Unapproachable East is a top-tier Monk prestige class. If you have access to Eberron books, taking Monastic Training, Tashalatora and then moving into Ardent from Complete Psionic might be her best bet.

Let us know how it turns out.
9th-Sep-2008 12:22 am (UTC)
I agree about half-elf being the worst race. Not sure that monk is the worst class...but I do like bards, so maybe it is. That's too bad, especially for a new player.

Hmmm...but are monks worse than rangers? I think I would rather play a monk than a ranger, because at least then you have options if you're thrown into a dungeon naked. (Although the last time that happened to one of my characters, I was playing a rogue and killed some rats and improvised lockpicks from their bones. So I guess it's all in what you make of it.)
9th-Sep-2008 02:45 am (UTC)
Oh...and in the homebrew game I'm running, all the monastic schools (save one) are found among the kobolds.

Take that, half-elves!
9th-Sep-2008 01:05 pm (UTC)
haha, it's true.

Well, my campaign is a lot of role playing, and half-elf and monk fit exactly with her idea for a good character history. She's a new player, so she is yet unspoiled by game mechanics.
9th-Sep-2008 12:51 am (UTC)
For a monk, I suggest buying ToB and playing the Swordmage. That's what a monk was meant to be in the first place. I know that isn't the answer you'd want to hear though.

Disclaimer: I don't play monks, so don't know the field of good feats/stuff for them.

For a new player... hmm... usually new players (in my experience) like to be able to hit stuff and do damage, whether it is a lot of not. In which case I'd bulk up on stuff that increases her attack. Bumping strength would be best for that, and Weapon Focus (while a subpar feat generally) might actually be pretty nice for her. As I think someone mentioned a level of Barbarian might be better than a level in Fighter. You get a nice speed boost and more HP, plus she can rage when she really wants to beat things.

I'd look at what she's enjoying or not enjoying about her character in the game now. If she feels like she's almost dying a lot, then focus on her defenses. If she feels like she's never contributing, focus on her attacks/damages. If she wants more options, find some tactical-style feats. Is there a particular trick she seems to like (ie, grappling)?

Part of the issue is that Monk is indeed one of the weakest classes in the game, so depending on the rest of your players/party she might start feeling left out or helpless or stuff. If so, keep an eye on when and look at compensating for those points. The object of the game is to have fun, so pick a path that emphasizes what she thinks is fun!

PS. Depending on the player (if she likes the character-building mini-game; I know my wife doesn't), you might just let her look through the books for a PrC that seems interesting. Monk stuff is scattered throughout the books iirc. Indeed, you might have her say if she likes the theme of any books (like dragons, or elves, or undead, or whatever), and then see what the monk classes in those are. There's almost always one :p
9th-Sep-2008 02:43 am (UTC)
Drunken master, tattooed monk, initiate of the draconic mysteries, initiate of Pistis Sophia, enlightened fist, sacred fist, psionic fist, eldritch fist (okay I made that last one up, but they would be trivial to construct), reaping mauler...and there are certainly more.

Wheee!
9th-Sep-2008 02:44 am (UTC)
There are also feats (in either Complete Warrior or Complete Adventurer, I think) which allow monks to multiclass with other classes fairly freely -- they typically begin with the word "Ascetic."
9th-Sep-2008 04:31 am (UTC)
Swordsage, but absolutely. The Unarmed Variant does the Monk thing far better than the Monk ever did.
9th-Sep-2008 04:42 am (UTC)
Right, swordsage.

I've been looking at too much 4e stuff I guess ;p. They never seemed very sagacious to me anyway.

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