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9th-Aug-2007 10:19 pm

Gaucho [Manipulation]
You are skilled at bringing down animals (and animal-like monsters) with bolas.
Prerequisite: Handle Animal 5 ranks or Profession (herder) 5 ranks.
Benefit: If you make a trip attack with a bolas against a creature with more than two legs that has moved at least 30’ in its last turn, you may elect to have the creature use its own Strength score rather than your own to resolve the trip attempt. A target affected by this Skill Trick does not get any bonus to resist the trip attempt because of its size (but this Skill Trick does not allow you to transcend the normal prohibition on tripping a creature more than one size category larger than you).

Skill Tricks are from Complete Scoundrel and are explained here

Opinions? It may be a bad precedent to allow a Skill Trick which modifies combat rolls, and the skill never actually comes into the equation: maybe I could allow a Herder skill check in place of the attacker's STR check?

Edit To mention bolas in the detailed text and de-emphasise "animals".
9th-Aug-2007 09:56 pm (UTC)
I don't own CS, but from a cursory glance at the preview, skill tricks read a lot like feats. Gaucho reads a lot like a feat, too. Maybe you should just make it a feat. I can see the player getting a lot of mileage out of this ability, so it is definitely feat-worthy.
9th-Aug-2007 09:59 pm (UTC)
Skill tricks are basically like weak feats. Gaucho is nowhere near strong enough to be a feat on its own and can be tied to one or more tricks, thus having it be a skill trick makes sense.
Except that it should probably be listed to "Animal", as otherwise the flavor text makes no sense.
9th-Aug-2007 10:00 pm (UTC)
*Probably be restricted to "Animal"...
9th-Aug-2007 10:29 pm (UTC)
Even then... do bear in mind that a 1st level spell increases your size 1 category, in addition to adding handy things like +4 STR, so our Hero would be tripping Huge creatures like a mofo.
9th-Aug-2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
... and how exactly does a sheep farmer trip a stampeding rhinoceros? Jam his shepherd's crook through the spokes of his bicycle wheel?
9th-Aug-2007 10:59 pm (UTC)
I was a bit worried about crocodiles.
9th-Aug-2007 10:58 pm (UTC)
Thrown weapons return to their original size when thrown though, the +2 STR would not help due to what the skill trick does, so all that Enlarge Person would do is give you -2 to hit on the ranged touch attack!
9th-Aug-2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
Because (I missed off) with bolas from the text, sorry.
9th-Aug-2007 11:03 pm (UTC)
um, no? This isn't about thrown weapons; it's about Tripping.

Enlarge Person, combined with this skill, would allow him to use a Huge creature's strength on the opposed grapple check (which is, no pun intended, a Huge difference), and deny the creature its +4 bonus due to size. If the character is reasonably specced to be a Tripmonkey, there's gonna be Huge dragons flat on their backs from here to Waterdeep, and Rogues delaying to Sneak Attack behind every shepherd.
9th-Aug-2007 11:09 pm (UTC)
I corrected the above to specify with bolas in the detailed text as well as implying it in the opening. BTW you can't Sneak Attack a prone enemy.
10th-Aug-2007 08:30 pm (UTC)
You can, it just takes some work
10th-Aug-2007 12:55 am (UTC)
That sounds awesome, actually. I can understand the balance issues colin's going for, but honestly, I'd allow it as is. DM discretion ought to be enough to keep that reasonable.

Just out of curiosity, what character is this with Prof(herder)? I mean, obvious (relatively, maybe) for a ranger or druid, but it would be all the more hilarious if he were a wizard or something.
10th-Aug-2007 06:34 am (UTC)
A Bard, former llama herder.

NB as a skill trick it can only be used once per encounter. The pre-reqs are quite high to be consistent with the other skill tricks which are all themselves prereqs for prestige classes.
10th-Aug-2007 01:02 pm (UTC)
Oh, alright. Well, yeah. Just keep an eye out for players trying to break it, and you should be all good.

Are there stats for a llama somewhere? That would be the coolest mount for a halfling paladin.
10th-Aug-2007 08:29 pm (UTC)
It looks good on the outside, but I can see where it would be broken and abused quite easily.

While I can use suspension of disbelief to see something like a lion brought down with bolas (funny image, reminds me of a cartoon), I have a hard time with anything excessively large; such as Elephants and Rhinos. A bolas wouldn't be able to bring down an elephant, since it can barely wrap itself around one foot, let alone all four (or even two).

If you wanted to slap a size restriction on it, I think it'd work a bit better. Such as only allowing it to work on animals sized up to one size larger than the weapon. (Ex: Medium sized bolas could trip anything up to and including Large sized animals, which unfortunately means Farmer Bob will be bringing down a charging knight come to collect taxes forcefully; but at least Farmer Bob still needs the knight to protect him from, say, Hannibal ;D.)
12th-Aug-2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
Elephants and Rhinos are Huge, so it would take a Goliath Gaucho to make them a vlaid target.

Bear in mind that this skill trick does not allow you to attempt anything that a bolas not allow you to do already: it just gives you a minimum chance of 30% of success (usually: STR X vs STR X +4 for stability bonus) when attacking a very strong creature that was already a valid target.
12th-Aug-2007 06:09 pm (UTC)
True, but like I said, my suspension of disbelief can only stretch so far. :]
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