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Dungeon and Dragon closes up shop 
19th-Apr-2007 04:41 pm
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http://paizo.com/

Nothing more really needs to be said. Well, I could say more, but my mamma always said, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". So I'll shut up and email custserv@wizards.com and tell them what I think of this. I suggest you should too.
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19th-Apr-2007 09:09 pm (UTC)
Sad to see them go, but with all the user created content online I can see why.
19th-Apr-2007 10:15 pm (UTC)
Magazines in general are going the way of the dino. If this means more content online and a monthly adventure book, then I can't see why this is bad.

Of course, I didn't spend 70 dollars to subscribe to both magazines, and have them deliver 3 weeks after hitting news stands, so...
19th-Apr-2007 10:16 pm (UTC)
"If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all".

How about "good riddance"?

Dungeon & Dragon have done nothing worthwhile since shortly after the OGL came out. Why do you think WotC spun them off in the first place?

the sad part is that they could have been Wizards' tool to stur up the chaos of the OGL and shine a light on the best of the best. Instead, they disallowed their own license on their most-accessable product for new writers, and those of talent just struck out on their own.
20th-Apr-2007 12:27 pm (UTC)
Nothing worthwhile? Under Paizo, they have had three interesting a fascinating Adventure Paths, and have transformed Dragon and Dungeon into two distinct and interesting magazines (compared to Wizards stewardship, where they really didn't have much good content).

Wizards computer offerings has brought us such programming gems as the fantastically crappy Etools, and the often down wonder that is the Wizards.com Bulletin Boards. They are going to have to do a much better job if they want to charge for content.

I don't think that online content is the answer at this point. I'd rather have a magazine that I can haul around rather than electronic data.
20th-Apr-2007 12:22 am (UTC)
I got Dragon for about two years, but I wasn't in a game during that time, which diminished their value immensely. To top it off, it was all just wankery about what new product came out that month and that I can get for free from the website, along with excerpts from the actual product. Everything I thought was worth using actually got printed in a licensed product. It was all just too redundant for me, I get more utility out of my RSS feed from the WotC site.
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20th-Apr-2007 08:01 am (UTC) - Re: Icon lust
Sure, I made it myself
20th-Apr-2007 12:54 am (UTC)
I can't say that I am happy about it, for sure... But it is slowly becoming an obsolete format and costly to do. Think of all the money they will save by going paperless, but there will not be anything that will compare to holding a magazine in your hands and flipping through it... It was a little overdone, but I will miss it for sure.
20th-Apr-2007 02:06 am (UTC)
I actually was saddened by this. Online content feels different than having something in a magazine. There's a novelty there, that is now gone. I loved Dungeon and Dragon both. There was rarely an issue that I didn't find something to like.
20th-Apr-2007 02:51 am (UTC)
It's sad to see the end of two long-running magazines, but I'm not surprised by it. The mags themselves just became mouthpieces for WotC products, much in the way White Dwarf became the voice of Games Workshop. It sounds like a solid business decision if they weren't getting the subscription revenue needed to keep them afloat.
20th-Apr-2007 12:18 pm (UTC)
Wizards terminated the license with Paizo, not the other way around. Paizo has dramatically improved the content of both zines (IMO), and the subscriber base was increasing. The reason that Wizards terminated the Paizo license was to publish their own online content on wizards.com.

IMO, this does not bode well that Wizards doesn't have at least a sample of what they are planning to offer while simultaneously announcing the cancellation of their magazine licenses. I'm thinking that they are probably behind schedule at this point, it's the only reason I can think of that they would make such a disastrous PR move.


20th-Apr-2007 03:35 am (UTC)
Am I the only one who never used these magazines? I've never bought one, and never intended to. And from what I've seen of them, I haven't been a huge fan of the formatting or the material. I'll just stick with other fan-made and third party material.
20th-Apr-2007 12:14 pm (UTC)
You aren't the only one who didn't subscribe, but nearly all people who have been subscribers are disappointed. Dungeon, in particular has seen great improvements over the past four years. The three Adventure Path modules have had fantastic material in them. I'm sorry to see them go.

I used to use 3rd party stuff early on, during 3e, but I've bought exclusively wotc since about 04 or so.


20th-Apr-2007 09:08 am (UTC)
I cant bitch,I didnt buy it,the truth is I should have but too little too late,I know its kind of off subject but its kinf of f$#ked up that more people dont spend there money on things like this, Im no better I buy my rpg stuff online because the nearest store that carries rpg stuff that isnt a chain store is 22 miles away
and its cheaper and easyer to buy online,but maybe thats why kids my little brothers age arent getting into this stuff
"im one of those old ass 30 something gamers that has been playing since he was 11" but I remember a time when if you went into a hobby shop or a comic book store they carried more than warhammer 20k. you could go and pick out miniatures off the shelf"which is so much better than online photos" and buy dice loose instead of a lame ass chessex set "awe yea old ass waxy plastic die with numbers you could barely read"I remember going to the local comic book store and answering flyers posted on the wall for gamers looking for groups that fit the way they played I dont know how it is in the rest of the world,but here in philadelphia its not like that anymore and i miss it.what about the rest of you? are there any one else out there who remembers hanging out in little mom and pop shops and talking for hours about there charictors and campaigns?

plus I hate the sreryotype that we are all hopeless losers that sit in our basements pretending to be lawfull good female elf paldans in turmiol. i know in my gaming circle im a tattoo artist,we have a writer,a drummer in a metal band,an owner of a break core lable and at least three very attractave wemon. what about the rest of you?
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