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Feat question 
18th-Mar-2007 08:28 pm
Shiny
I have a couple questions about a feat one of my players would like his ranger to take.

Woodland Archer (Races of the Wild, page 154)
Pierce the Foliage: To use this maneuver, you must hit a foe with a ranged attack despite the miss chance caused by concealment. Shots you take against that foe in the next round don’t incur the miss chance because you’re able to exactly duplicate your draw and aim.
Concealment (PHB, page 152)
Concealment encompasses all circumstances where nothing physically blocks a blow or shot but where something interferes with an attacker’s accuracy.
Total Concealment
If you have line of effect to a target but not line of sight (for instance, if he is in total darkness or invisible, or if you’re blinded), he is considered to have total concealment from you.

Scenario: Ranger Dwallin is ready to shoot. Opponent Kaurophon is invisible (and, thus, Dwallin has a miss chance due to concealment). Dwallin fires four times and hits Kaurophon’s AC with his first three shots; the first misses due to miss chance. The second hits.

Question 1: Does the third shot also have a miss chance? Remember, the feat said “shots you take against that foe in the next round”, not in the round the opponent was struck.

Question 2: Next round, Dwallin has no miss chance. However, before he gets a chance to shoot at Kaurophon, Kaurophon takes a move action and there’s no reason why Dwallin’s duplicating his draw and aim should hit the target. Does this negate Dwallin’s feat? The feat description didn’t say anything about movement defeating the effect of the successful hit.

The intent of the feat, based off the way the action is described, feels like they’re saying that provided nothing changes, once you’ve hit your target you no longer have a miss chance (assuming you hit it at least once per round...). Is that the way I should run it, and say the effect of the feat is cancelled if something does change, say, if the opponent moves? Or, if Dwallin is firing 4/round, should I say his next four shots have no miss chance?
Comments 
19th-Mar-2007 01:51 am (UTC)
In the example you gave, I'd lean towards giving Shot #3 in round 1 no miss chance and applying miss chance to attacks in round 2.

However, if I were trying to follow the feat text exactly as written, I'd lean towards doing the opposite.
19th-Mar-2007 01:58 am (UTC)
If the enemy is invisible he would have to guess what spot to aim at first of all.

Question 1 and 2. Since the feat says it works against Concealment and not Total Concealment, two different attributes, the answer IMO is an easy No.
19th-Mar-2007 01:58 am (UTC)
G'ha.

That's a terribly written feat. It should include in its description if movement changes anything.

IMC, I would not allow that feat; based on that feat, I wouldn't allow anything from that book.

Given the ambiguity of the feat, I suggest you edit it to be "... against that foe until they or the archer move." There's no reason to make this talent an inherent one-round trick, especially when a fix is so easy to add.
19th-Mar-2007 04:03 am (UTC)
Concurring with this. The way it's written doesn't make sense, I would imagine they meant it to have a duration of one round. I'd rewrite it as follows:

To use this maneuver, you must hit a foe with a ranged attack despite the miss chance caused by concealment or total concealment. Shots you take against that foe don’t incur the miss chance because you’re able to exactly duplicate your draw and aim. If your opponent moves at least five feet, miss chances then apply as normal.

19th-Mar-2007 04:08 am (UTC)
Hmm...

Well, it would seem to me that as intended, the feat is meant to give archers the effect of being able to shoot into/through leaves to hit their targets. Easy to understand, good flavor, and still applicable elsewhere (Blur? Who cares, I shoot through redwoods! >:O).

That being said, it's written horribly. IMO it should say:

Pierce the Foliage: To use this maneuver, you must hit a foe with a ranged attack despite the miss chance caused by concealment (but not total concealment). Shots you take against that foe in the next round don’t incur the miss chance because you’re able to exactly duplicate your draw and aim.

Thinking of it logically, if you spend most of your in dark forests spotting things through patterns of light and leaves, then you'll be adept at seeing things through the natural concealment of your environs. It isn't the Sword of Omens, though. (>:O FEAT! GIVE ME SIGHT BEYOND SIGHT!)

The way I see it, it also wouldn't matter if your target moves or not (unless they move into total concealment or out of concealment entirely) because once you've spotted them through the concealment effect, you've got a bead on them and aren't going to lose them again.

So, to answer your questions:

1) Sucks to be shot number three, it still has a miss chance.
2) Sucks to be Dwallin, because he can't see invisibility, he can only keep track of things once he can see them.
22nd-Mar-2007 04:21 pm (UTC)
Also keep in mind that, for a moment (perhaps a full round after the first successful shot) the archer will see an arrow suspended in mid-air.
As for the movement: If I was shot with an arrow, invisible or not, I would get the hell out of there, post haste.
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