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23rd-Oct-2006 02:16 pm
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So, my players finally defeated a black dragon that had been hounding them. They were in a town for the battle (she sought them out) and now the dead dragon is lying in the street in town, being dissected and chopped up. The players want to eat the dragon, and take it's hide for armor.

Anyone know some rules or such about these things?

I thought the Draconomicon had rules on skinning a dragon, but didn't see them. And... eating a dragon's bits? I mean sure, steak for the entire town! But I'm thinking I let them butcher it up as one would a deer or cow, and away we go. But, still... I dunno. Gross. She was sentient, too, is that an alignment violation or something? LOL Just... icky.
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23rd-Oct-2006 06:44 pm (UTC)
LOL Oregan Trail?
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23rd-Oct-2006 11:34 pm (UTC)
2) Caulk the wagon and float it across
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25th-Oct-2006 03:48 am (UTC)
at a place where you could walk across with five steps down
23rd-Oct-2006 06:38 pm (UTC)
Well, on the one hand, chances are the dragon wouldn't have had any issue with snacking on the PC's if the tables had turned. On the other hand, chances are the dragon wasn't a Good Guy. Sentient entities as food creatures is generally frowned on by the forces of Good in most campaign settings I have read, which makes D&D a little odd, given the eighteen thousand sentient races on any given planet.
23rd-Oct-2006 06:44 pm (UTC)
Odd indeed. There was a slight hesitation when the Paladin said she was going to cook and eat the dragon, but we all went for it. She is a Paladin of Corellan anyway (weird, I know, but you do things for your players) so I doubt her God demands she be quite so anal as other Gods might.

Thank you.
25th-Oct-2006 03:49 am (UTC)
Ain't nothing wrong with chaotic good paladins. See the Variant Character Classes in the SRD. ( http://www.d20srd.org )
24th-Oct-2006 01:32 am (UTC)
On the gripping hand, black dragons are evil, and therefore their diet has no real bearing on whether eating them is okay- they are sentient.
23rd-Oct-2006 07:02 pm (UTC)
Sounds icky to me.

I know D&D has the old Testament approach where it's fine to kill whoever is trying to kill you (as opposed to, for example, real life Europe where murder will get you life in jail).

Okay. Cutting up the dragon for its skin? Not for the emotional or squeamish. Did they gut the creature then and there in the village? Did children run a way screaming. Did they offer/share any of the meat with the villagers?

I like the D&D games where characters look aghast at the rogue who tries to loot the bodies of the bandits they've just beaten - so I'm probably bias!
23rd-Oct-2006 10:42 pm (UTC)
I would think the kids wouldn't run away screaming infact the adults would make the kids watch and help to teach them how to do it as part of thier learning.
24th-Oct-2006 07:29 am (UTC)
I think you could argue that was icky too.

You're conjuring up ideas of a grim'n'gritty game world. We could have villagers who forced their kids to watch as orcs kicked, screamed and died slowly (after begging for help) on the end of a noose. Where people are cast out of their homes by the village and not allowed back from the dangerous plains until they're able to return with meat. Where there is no law, only cooperation to survive and those who get in the way of that cooperation.
23rd-Oct-2006 07:43 pm (UTC) - Dragons
Pgs. 283-284 of the DM's guide has the rules for dragon hide armor. From my experience, dead dragons are an excellent source of armor, spell components and trophies. MW red dragon fang daggers are a personal favorite of mine :)

Carving it up and hosting a feast for the town to cover the damages the battle caused would be a nice gesture. A paladin might want to ensure any leftovers are preserved for the poor...
23rd-Oct-2006 08:27 pm (UTC)
Well we have a grey area here.

First off Dragon armor SUCKS! Basically your looking at masterwork hide armor which really sucks alot. Its easier to enchant I believe but for the most point with they guys AC being 40 you cut their hide out and get an AC of 3...Kinda lame. i could be wrong havent read up on it since 3.0 so they may have made it better.

Now eating a evil dragon...it's an EVIL act. Your eating a sentient creature. Would you eat Orc? Minotaur? Black unicorn? goblin? Doesn't matter if its evil or not the fact is your eating a thinking creature. Now cutting the corpse up to make armor I would say is on the verge of being evil but I would rule it as nuetral. Why is one evil and not the other. I dunno...:P I just like being an ass about these things LOL.
23rd-Oct-2006 08:52 pm (UTC)
Speaking from personal experience, it's relatively easy to kill and gut an animal, but it's harder to refine a carcass into something useful. I'm not sure why they're not just using the talents of the village butcher and tanner/armorsmith - if for nothing other than professional courtesy.

You can't just "harvest" armor from any animal, whether it's dragonscale or deerhide. Inexperienced people who try to skin animals sometimes ruin the pelt. Also, it needs to be cured and hardened before use, which is a skill in itself (one of the Craft skills in the PHB). If they decide to do it themselves, you might give them a percentage chance of ruining the material. They certainly can't make it into armor unless they're trained to do so.

I couldn't butcher a deer, let alone a dragon whose physiology I have absolutely no familiarity with. (Hey, this looks like a tasty part, put it on the firOH CRAP IT'S THE BREATH-WEAPON BLADDER RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!) I generally let someone with Knowledge: Nature butcher a common animal by taking 10, but for something as uncommon as a dragon you might call for a higher DC.

As far as the sentience thing goes, that's iffy. Don't just toss it offhand, decide what the law of the land is in your campaign world. (People do eat dolphin, despite the animals' high intelligence.) This sounds like a great area to encourage roleplaying - ask each player what his/her reasoning is on the subject, and don't allow glib or insincere munchkin-answers.
23rd-Oct-2006 10:41 pm (UTC)
shoot some people eat the dolphin because of thier high intelligence
23rd-Oct-2006 09:23 pm (UTC)
Why would anyone want to eat the meat of something that spends its time in nasty swamps, spewing poison gas or acid and brooding over evil-doing? I mean, hey, you can eat it, and being from Louisiana I figure anything that's living out in the swamps is at least passably edible, but hell if that's got to taste something awful. I'd go for something like stringy, mean-tempered crocodile as far as taste. Blech.

Perhaps you could give the players the pic from the Draconomicon that shows the musculature and have them pick out cuts, like on a cow. Still, they should have to make some kind of check to get the glands for the breath weapon out safely, sort of like cutting up a lionfish for soup.

Are they just going to spit-roast chunks of it, or maybe barbeque? It would probably cook down nice as a brisket, and deep frying things is always a good idea.
23rd-Oct-2006 10:44 pm (UTC)
Gator meat is good stuff, and going froggin at night with flashlights produces some good eats.
23rd-Oct-2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
I'd be a total rat bastard and tell everybody who partook and had a charisma of at least 10 that they will have to make a fortitude save of DC(wicked high) or be forced to take their next level as a level of sorceror. Hell, somebody who I game with always drinks dragon blood hoping to suddenly be a sorceror.
24th-Oct-2006 12:28 pm (UTC)
There was an article about a year ago in Dragon about that kind of thing. It dealt with all your questions.
24th-Oct-2006 01:44 pm (UTC)
People, a cow is sentient! Sentience just means it has consciousness. It's the difference between an animal and a plant--both are alive, but only the animal is sentient.

I think the issue you're thinking of is that they'd be eating an intelligent creature. It has nothing to do with sentience.
24th-Oct-2006 02:20 pm (UTC)
In a fantasy-medieval setting, you can feel free to follow the fantasy-medieval tropes. I don't think that dragonhide armor and dragon steaks are out-of-line in this sort of setting.

A dragon may be intelligent, but it is not HUMANOID. It's a huge monster, that happens to be able to speak. We're talking about a setting where every third four-legged beast you come across has magic powers and can beg for its life - I don't think these people are going to regard eating a dragon as an evil act.

PS: the rules for dragonhide armor are lame, as are the rules for almost all "special materials." The idea of wearing a suit of dragonhide armor that ISN'T enchanted somehow is ridiculous, just like non-magical mithril gear. Give them a hefty discount towards making acid-resistant armor (of any variety) and call it good.
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