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I just picked up the 3.5 core rules and five of the source books. I… 
20th-Oct-2005 11:21 pm
I just picked up the 3.5 core rules and five of the source books. I was reading about Elven Thin/Light/Court Blades and was wondering if it seemed acceptable to make them the default weapon feats Elves start with instead of Rapiers and Longswords?
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21st-Oct-2005 06:43 am (UTC)
You could make them standard martial weapons for Elves, like waraxes and urgroshes are for Dwarves.
21st-Oct-2005 06:56 am (UTC)
yep
21st-Oct-2005 08:55 am (UTC)
I wouldn't give an elf these for free, then it would negate the point of choosing either a rapier or a longsword. I think Races of the Wild has a feat like Improved Weapon Familiarity, which lets special other weapons be treated as matial for your race.
21st-Oct-2005 12:52 pm (UTC)
Assuming you follow the way it's done with dwarves (making them martial weapons instead of exotic), are you comfortable increasing the power of elven martial classes (fighter, paladin...) and weakening non-martial classes (such as rogue, wizard, sorceror...)?
21st-Oct-2005 01:27 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by "default weapons".

What most people are mentioning is that these weapons are all Exotic weapons, meaning they're hard to use without special training (ie without taking a Feat in it). So your average commoner (and even low-level fighter) wouldn't know how to wield the weapon properly.

Others have suggested giving elves a special ability which means they can use the weapons as Martial weapons (so that your low-level fighter could use them without any training beyond normal). The thing is, exotic weapons, though harder to use, are generally more powerful than normal weapons. So you are making elves more powerful by allowing them to use these weapons easier, unless you counter it with something else (such as maybe dropping the elves innate weapon proficiency, but of course that will hurt non-warrior elves who now can't use the normal rapiers and longswords).

I'd recommend not giving these spiffy weapons away for free (as you say). I'd more just use them for flavor, like saying all aristocratic elves take Exotic Weapon Proficiency to use these weapons, and it marks them as nobility. Stick with the rules as written, but give new material a roleplaying value.
21st-Oct-2005 05:27 pm (UTC)
Default as in, "You start proficient with these instead of Longsword and Rapier". They don't seem Exotic at all for elves. I think that term is used in relation to other races.
22nd-Oct-2005 01:18 am (UTC)
Well technically it's not, but you can play it that way if you wish.
21st-Oct-2005 02:20 pm (UTC)
I don't think that making them martial weapons for elves would be too unbalancing. People don't usually play elves as fighter-types because of their CON penalty, anyway.
21st-Oct-2005 02:21 pm (UTC)
You could do that, but I wouldn't. Elves get enough as is.
21st-Oct-2005 03:28 pm (UTC)
I don't have Complete Warrior to hand, so this may be incorrect information, but as I recall, in that manual it states that Elves and Half Elves can use the Elven thinblade proficiently if they're proficient in the rapier.
21st-Oct-2005 05:28 pm (UTC)
No, it says that they apply as Rapiers in relation to certain feats I believe.
21st-Oct-2005 07:54 pm (UTC)
Weapon Finesse, specifically.
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