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Psionic crafting better than magic crafting? 
6th-Oct-2005 09:01 pm
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Is there separate rules for psionic and magic item crafting, or do you use the same calculations? (For example, is a continuous psionic power on an item the manifester level x the power's level x 2,000?)

For example, there is an epic-level ring that gives you the ability of a ring of greater energy resistance for all five elements (fire, cold, sonic, acid, electricity). Normally, a ring of energy resistance is 44,000 gp. The DMG states that you adjust the cost by 1.5 when adding additional enchantments to an item already enchanted that takes up a slot (and a ring does indeed take a slot, since you can normally wear just two rings without epic feats), and so you have 44,000 x 66,000(4) for a total of 308,000 (44,000 for the first element, 66,000 for the other four elements). Indeed, there is an epic level ring in the Epic Level Handbook for 308,000 gp that gives you a resistance of 30 to all five. Just as well, I checked the errata, and this cost stands per 3.5 rules (since the Epic Level Handbook was 3.0).

Now.

Take a psion venturing to craft the same item. He uses the power Energy Adaptation, which gives you resistances to all energies. This is a 4th level power, and if you manifest it as a 13th level manifester, you get a resistance of 30. So, 4 x 13 x 2,000 = 104,000 gp. This psionic ring does the same thing as the arcane version above, but it has a value of 104,000 gp versus 308,000 gp.

Furthermore, I have a player that wants to craft his weapon with augmented Concussion Blast for 4d6 points of force damage in addition to the damage the weapon deals, and I find his calculations to be horribly low. Unfortunately, I can't find any alternate rules for psionic crafting, which leads me to think either I caught a huge loophole and psionics is that much better for crafting purposes, or I'm completely missing something.

Help.

Cross posted to d20games.
Comments 
7th-Oct-2005 04:33 am (UTC)
Is there a different experience point cost? Or a diffeent amount of time required?
7th-Oct-2005 04:36 am (UTC)
Not that I'm aware of. It would be the 1/20 rule and the 1,000 gp per day rule.
7th-Oct-2005 05:06 am (UTC)
You shouldn't be able to craft a weapon that uses an augmented power, in my opinion. Ever. It doesn't make any sense. Augmenting should only be possible while actually manifesting the power, and just having a weapon that deals extra damage because it's using such-and-such power doesn't mean you're actually using the power, just as someone with a flaming longsword isn't actually casting flame blade, flame strike, or fireball. The cost of a weapon that did an extra 4d6 damage of any kind should be about four kingdoms. Force damage, you say? Make that six kingdoms. And twelve princesses. And a golden monkey.
7th-Oct-2005 05:12 am (UTC)
That was my thought as well, but I wouldn't mind actually finding the rules for if you can augment during psionic item creation or not...and if so, how does that actually work...?...
7th-Oct-2005 05:14 am (UTC)
I think this is one of those things that isn't covered because it's just obvious. Read the rules for augmenting. If it doesn't say anything about augmenting powers that are built in to weapons, that aren't even being manifested, then it can't happen...
7th-Oct-2005 05:16 am (UTC)
It's an interesting question though, something I've never thought about before... :) Thanks.
7th-Oct-2005 08:07 am (UTC)
He's got the monkeys, I see the monkeys
7th-Oct-2005 06:28 am (UTC)
Custom magic items are house-rules. If it's not listed in the table in the DMG or EPH, then the cost is whatever the DM says (there are guidelines listed, but they say that they're not perfect and that you should compare custom items to existing items to come up with a cost).
7th-Oct-2005 12:37 pm (UTC)
Good point. A typical example is a Ring of Invisibility. It costs 20k. If you went straight by the rules it could be as low as 12k (2x3x2000). Since it is unusually powerful for its cost, the market price is higher. I would rule the same for something that provides a resistance 30 to all energy types. Even epic level, that is powerful.
7th-Oct-2005 01:58 pm (UTC)
Err...10.8k. 2x3x1800 (command word activated).
7th-Oct-2005 02:14 pm (UTC)
Or 12 kingdoms, 6 golden monkeys, 14 newborn dragons...
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