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2nd-Oct-2005 09:42 am
What exactly is the strength of ten men? The quick and udmb answer would be the Str of one average man x 10, which would be 100, but that's a ridiculous score.

So let's imagine then that we have one average man attempting a Str check and he has nine average men assisting. A Str score of 10 grants no bonus, but nine men who succeed on a DC10 assist roll each add +2, totalling +18 bonus to assist. A +18 assist bonus is the same as the Str bonus of a character with Str 46.

But then if we assume an average of rolls succeed a flat dc10 Str check without a bonus, then it may well be only half the nine men who sucessfully assist. The assist bonus only becomes +8 (+9 rounded down). And a Str bonus of +8 is a Str Score of 26.

This is pretty confusing as is, how would you folks resolve this?
2nd-Oct-2005 01:54 pm (UTC) - Maybe...
1d20 x10/2?
2nd-Oct-2005 01:58 pm (UTC)
A man with the strength of ten men would be able to lift ten times as much as one average man.

Try this:
Take the amount of weight an average man can lift, multiply that by ten, and look on the table and see what strength can lift that weight. There is your strength of ten men.

An average human (str 10) can lift 100 lbs. over his head. A man with the strength of ten men can lift 1000 lbs. According to the table this is between 26 (920 lbs.) and 27 (1040 lbs.) strength.
2nd-Oct-2005 03:00 pm (UTC)
I think this is probably the best approximation, since the term "the strength of 10 men" generally is measured in terms of lifting, as as far as I know has nothing to actually do with D&D anyway. I mean, you'd say someone has "the strength of an ogre" or something, comparing to larger and stronger monsters instead of to a number of normal people.

Plus, I like how that number matches up with the score if you had 9 average guys assisting. Good job megarandom.
2nd-Oct-2005 03:26 pm (UTC)
Both nviibrown and megarandom are correct. What is interesting is that they came to the correct answer via different paths. I think this indicates that the system is better designed than I give it credit for.
2nd-Oct-2005 10:30 pm (UTC)
It does often seem that way, we did a test(just curiousity based not hugely scientific, but enough for the purpose) involving hardess of paper, damage of a dagger and strength; it turned out surprisingly consistent with the rules.
2nd-Oct-2005 02:25 pm (UTC)
"Aid Other"
2nd-Oct-2005 02:39 pm (UTC)
That's the mechanic described in the post...
2nd-Oct-2005 02:44 pm (UTC)
But a +18 assist bonus isn't the same as a +46 strength. Nor is a 1st level character with 11 strength who rolls an 18 suddenly imbued with a strength of 46.

Numbers that come from differnt places represent differnt things.
2nd-Oct-2005 11:42 pm (UTC)
A character with Str 11 and rolls an 18 still has +0 on his Str bonus and is nowhere close to 46. 9 men assisting are using the str of 9 men to assist the str of one man, it's all str, being used in group effort to reach the same effect.
3rd-Oct-2005 01:21 am (UTC)
But it's not a physics simulation, it's a game mechanic.
3rd-Oct-2005 08:10 am (UTC)
This has little to do with physics and everything to do with mechanic. But 9 men assisting to give a +8 bonus to lifting something has the same end result as one man using a 26 Str score to lift something. It's a measure of combined strength rather than single strength.
2nd-Oct-2005 03:57 pm (UTC)
I think the lifting answer is probably the best- but in any case, quite an interesting question, and one I hadn't considered. Nice. ^_^
2nd-Oct-2005 05:48 pm (UTC)
I like the lifting answer. :)

The other application would be "aid another" for doing damage. A battering ram with five men on each side would do standard damage, +1 point for every successful "aid another".
2nd-Oct-2005 09:55 pm (UTC)
I vaguely recall a superhero who claimed to have the strength of ten men, but insisted they were ten big men.
3rd-Oct-2005 09:49 pm (UTC)
i dunno,,i would simply assume that the strength of ten men is figuratave,,because at that point beings that most npc comman folk are between 1st and 3rd l,,then a 15th level pc fighter would allready have the strength of say,,15 shopkeepers,10 barkeeps or 6 wizards. at that point,,just make up "bad ass stats" and call it a day i guess it all depends on weather your looking at it for lifting strength or combat abilaty and chalenge rating,an 11level charicter fighting a 1st level charicter has 10 times the challenge rating,so combat wise i would say an average 11th level charictor,,but that doesenjt fit the lifting side which would be as everyone else was saying 26 or 27 "by the way good job to everyone who came up with that"
6th-Oct-2005 06:37 pm (UTC)
blah blah blah the answer by megarandom is correct by me! I just think its interesting how the ape in MM has something like a 23 str... THATS strong!
6th-Oct-2005 10:40 pm (UTC)
Well they're strong! When's the last time you arm-wrestled a gorilla?
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