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2nd-Feb-2005 05:41 pm
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I've just randomly found this community, so I've come in to say hello and ask if I might get help with my little problem: I have a dungeon idea that I, personally, really like, but I can't think of how to get it set up properly.

To briefly summarize why I'm setting up a campaign: I have some friends who play DnD and I wanted to join in the group and have some fun. However, with them (being loosey-goosey fun folks that they are), that makes me, at least temporarily, the group's slave - I am (sort of, if I want to, and I kind of do) obligated to DM for them at least once. This is a bunch of people who simply love evil campaigns - there is NO way that I could possibly snag them with a good-oriented one. So I was thinking about what I could do to get this underway... How could I make this work?

A spark of inspiration: What if there was some big and bad creature who was hungry for, say, dwarf meat, but, due to size limitations, couldn't enter the caverns? I believe that the thought of getting a bounty per dwarf plus such-and-such an amount of money per stone of dwarf meat would quite intrigue the more evil of my players (all of them).

Here, however, is where I run up against my first hitch: what kind of creature would be big and evil enough to want dwarf meat, but too lazy or too big to go in after it by itself? At first I was thinking dragons, but dragons seem to all be able to assume any shape they desire from a very early age on, so... Yeah.

Can anyone advise me on the issue, or at least point me somewhere that might help...?
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2nd-Feb-2005 10:50 pm (UTC)
What about an ogre? This makes the possibility of the party later betraying him possible. If the hole is so small that the medium size pc's have to scrunch into it, there is no way an ogre can get through..

One problem, dwarves use traps, and are smart enough to protect their holes.

Did I just say that?
2nd-Feb-2005 10:51 pm (UTC)
an aboleth would have a hard time getting into a dwarf cavern, seeing as its aquatic, but its also subterranean and has slaves, so it might not work. maybe an aboleth after elf or halfling. or the dragon could just be really old and lazy, capable of doing it himself but not inclined to. or the person doing the hiring could just be an insane wizard who wants to bathe in dwarf blood for a spell. say he's got some new protective spell for his army and needs to bathe each member in dwarf blood. or say he wants to make an army of flesh golems and thinks dwarves are the best for this. something like that.
2nd-Feb-2005 10:56 pm (UTC)
if you want to use a dragon you still can. i would probably say use a green dragons. they love to do the whole sneaky and subtle thing. sometime just to see things go crazy. maybe have him polymorphed into something else, like say.....a drow and have him go after some good elven weapon. only to have the dragon attack them when they get it. hehe, that should teach them to be evil :-P
2nd-Feb-2005 11:49 pm (UTC)
How about some form of giant? Or what about a chimera? Add the fiendish template and bump its Int a bit if you like.

How long will this "campaign" go on? After a few raids, the dwarves are going to mount some serious defenses. You can always utilize the Duergar too. Maybe they have to infiltrate a Duergar clan and convince them to attack the dwarves.
3rd-Feb-2005 02:29 am (UTC)
Trolls are always hungry. They don't fit in dwarf caverns. And I've always thought they get short shrift in D&D - smart trolls are far cooler (and more dangerous!) than mindless eating machines.

Of course, if they're really evil they don't need any more incentive to kick in the door at a dwarven mining outpost, say, than most adventurers need to go clear out the local goblins. Slaughtering a clan of sentient beings down to the last man is just as lucrative when it's dwarves or humans as when it's goblins or lizardmen or something.
3rd-Feb-2005 03:39 am (UTC)
Why do they need a reason to kill dwarves, again? Something wants to eat the dwarves and they're getting paid for it.

Well, I suppose that -is- an extra added bonus, but most evil parties just enjoy killing shit, and taking their stuff. Especially since all the "goodly" races tend to have better crap than the monstrous races.

Of course, like Vulpez said, good parties go and commit slaughter without much reason needed, so why should those that are evil and having no moral compunctions need one?

Honestly, I think the best way is to have thhe party go through a normal dungeon, foillowing after another adventuring party, who are all good. Anti-parties are a kick in my gaming group. x.x We always have one, and for whatever reason they usually get the floor mopped with their faces.
3rd-Feb-2005 12:07 pm (UTC)
A basic evil, but cowardly and/or lazy human overlord could do the trick. After all, you don't expect the king to go shopping for groceries himself, do you?
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