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more faerun questions. does anyone know where i can get a good… 
27th-Dec-2004 10:08 am
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more faerun questions. does anyone know where i can get a good printable map of faerun that's ledgible.

now on to the good question. one of the PC's in my campaign plays a paladin. and i was watching empire strikes back the other day and i thought it'd be a good conflict for the paladin to have his father become the one thing that he hunts most an undead. i was trying to figure out does anyone know how i'd go about making a lich anti paladin. i've looked in several books but nothing seems to express the way i'd like it to come out so i was looking for some other opinions.
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27th-Dec-2004 03:14 pm (UTC)
28th-Dec-2004 12:01 am (UTC)
that's a good site but i was looking for something more on the free side if ya know what i mean
27th-Dec-2004 03:30 pm (UTC)
One can't make an anti-paladin into a lich. OF course, you are a DM you can wave that rule. However, you can make the father into something just as cool: A Death Knight. They are in Monster Manual 2 I think, as well as an old issue of Dragon. I'm not sure what issue. They can't be turned, but can be dispelled by Holy Ward spells.
28th-Dec-2004 12:00 am (UTC)
that's not a bad idea. i probably wouldn't have thought of it. do u think it'd be possible to make an item to counter the powers of a holy ward as to where he couldn't be dispelled if so let me know
28th-Dec-2004 01:48 am (UTC)
Well, Greater Spell Immunity is an 8th level spell. It grants immunity to any spell of 8th level or lower. Holy Ward is a 7th level spell. His item could be imbued with Greater Spell Immunity(Holy Ward). Now the only way he could be defeated would be through battle, and it'll be hard since he's a death knight.

As far as battling/dealing with this guy, his son(the paladin i think?) could try to resurrect him. I don't know the rules on undead and true resurrection. Of course, you ARE a DM. You could say that it is possible to restore life back to him. Then he'd be far less powerful, but still evil. Depending on the Paladin's view of things, he could try to show his father the error of his ways. Conversion can be tedious though. Like, everytime they meet the son tries to convert his father back to good. Of course he'd have to be alive again. Someone who becomes an undead willingly wouldn't turn back.

this idea provides a nice ripple to the "do I kill my dad eventhough he's horribly evil?" scenario. Though it does require a bit of coniving with rules on your part. Hope that helps
27th-Dec-2004 03:52 pm (UTC)
You may consult the new Libris Morti book that is out. They may have something intresting. I have not thumbed through it but a friend of mine highly recommends it.

As for the map not sure.. SVGAMES.com has all of the second and first edition source books for forgotten realms as a cheap download in pdf. And the maps are included in the PDF. You could try that.
27th-Dec-2004 05:48 pm (UTC)
You could use the Monsters of Faerun template and make his father a good lich. That would be really bizarre.
27th-Dec-2004 11:58 pm (UTC)
i need to make his father evil so that it becomes an internal conflict with the PC. do i destroy the evil, or do i let my father live. kinda like the luke skywalker darth vader scenario.
28th-Dec-2004 10:45 am (UTC)
Undead can't be resurrected, due to the fact that it was turned into undead... negative energy inbued onto it and all that stuff.

I suggest making the father a half vampire from Liber Mortis. It presents a twist... not entirely evil in the sense of 'i'll kill those innocents over there for fun... hahaha', but more of a 'i kill to survive, would you begrudge me of my life, however foul?'

It presents a moral and general decision for the PC, do I kill him even if he is following the natural order of things and isn't inheritantly evil, or do I kill him because he is a predator on innocents... what do I do?
28th-Dec-2004 03:49 pm (UTC)
that's not a truly bad idea i like the moral decision it would pose.
to explain a bit more about the PC and his father. his father went on an expidition to vanquish some lich that banded together and never returned. rumors of his survival lead the PC to amn from the dalelands. while there he heres rumors of a great evil that is hunting down the forces of amn, several of the people the PC encounter give a description and it resembles his father but it's been 20 years. eventually the pc finds his father while dead he has retained all of his memories and ability to converse. he explains that he heard a calling and took on a new quest. he says that the churches are corrupt and need to be taught a lesson. he ask's his son to join with him. his son refuses. father states that if he will not join him then he too will fall to his feet and beg for his life.
29th-Dec-2004 03:20 am (UTC)
If the father is a half-Vampire then why doesn't the son have some amount of power? He'd be 1/4th Vampire, so I think he'd be entitled to something. Tieflings have 1/8th or less of fiendish blood and they get an amount of spell-like or supernatural abilities, though not alot.

And yes, you can't raise undead by the rules. But he is a DM.
29th-Dec-2004 04:48 pm (UTC)
I believe rules for part vampires are both in bloodline feats (the rules variant system in unearthen arcana, and several dragon magazines)
and also race options, under death-touched, also in a dragon magazine, which one I forget. Worth looking up if your bothered.

Personally I'd let the character off with being human, unless he's really bothered.
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